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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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our difference is worldwide

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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yeah man how you doing how you doing

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for kjcr the game changer and annex

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networks racehobbs who's going to be

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with us tonight i am your host jimmy

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what is cracking everybody did you have

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welcoming very special guest race hobbs

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is here

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for ufos to the finish line his name is

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wednesday night it's duke sullivan

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of world bigfoot radio only the biggest

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the sandboxes hashtag f2b

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with micah hanks micah hanks is going to

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land a woman and a man on the moon by

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media that said and i quote

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elon musk is involved in supplying the

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communication equipment and for this

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the show but now we know who will take

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doctor who as the bbc announces nikuti

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world's highest peak reaching the summit

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of mount everest

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weekend rita is 52 years old

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he first reached mount everest and its

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summit in 1994 and has made it to the

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top of the world nearly every year since

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that's crazy and you know what so this

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is the sherpa's job

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for these rich people

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they climbed to the summit

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right he was up there with 10 other

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sherpas uh this weekend they climb up to

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the summit you know what they do they

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that's what they do they're already

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there

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and you know all those rich whatever

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millionaire billionaires

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are they just

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the work is already done

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and uh i just find that fascinating

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there you go all right more human

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remains have been found at lake mead

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that's right less than a week after

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authorities discover the remains of a

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man in a barrel amid a drought that has

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dropped the reservoir's water level to

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historic lows

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a witness saw human skeletal remains in

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the calville bay area of lake mead

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around 2pm on saturday the national park

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service just announced the clark county

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medical examiner has not yet identified

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the cause of death

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authorities said

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investigations are ongoing and police

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warned last week

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that more bodies could turn up in the

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country's largest reservoir after human

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remains were found in a barrel last

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sunday

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national park service rangers found the

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barrel with skeletal remains in an area

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near the hemingway harbor on may first

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after boat boaters spotted it

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and i'm just gonna say

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i'm gonna do it i know i i mean people

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may be thinking this

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but i'm just going to say it out loud

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i think the mob was

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dropping off their bodies

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in lake mead

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i

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the mob

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just say it nobody nobody wants to

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mention this

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you know i read all these articles

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nobody wants to bring up the mob

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so

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there you go all right thank you cass

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for the new doctor who that's pretty

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oh man i love my river moon coffee

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and uh there you go

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over the weekend

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i was talking to uh christina gomez

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about the art of making coffee

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and the pour over the pour over she

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didn't know what it was and so

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she's got the gear now she's now pouring

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over her coffee and and

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it just got me so i ended up pouring

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over

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oh man

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it's a little extra work

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but it's worth it

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you know it's it's pour over number one

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no doubt french press number two coffee

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machine number three

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in that order if you got a good coffee

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machine you're probably getting away

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with it but uh nothing like a french

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press and nothing like a pour over

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man i could stop the show right now

362
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no need to do the show i could just stop

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it's tempting when it tastes that good

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let's get to show cracking on this day

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in history 1926

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explore richard bird

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claims to have flown over the north pole

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on this day in 1926

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but

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later discovered in his personal diary

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birds said

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that they turned back

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150 miles short of the pole

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because of an oil leak in their airplane

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he lied

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yeah

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on this day

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in 1926.

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fader fact

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all right

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you know some fader all fader facts are

382
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unbelievable that's why they are fader

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facts and i want you to think i want you

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to go and look it up and

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and uh yeah so

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in march

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this is one of those

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mike winkelmann

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more popularly known as

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beeple

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sold one of his artworks called every

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days

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as an nft

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for 69

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million dollars

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and nft

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digital

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so he took he did artwork for 5 000

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straight days did a piece of art single

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art and then he did a nft

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of

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you know you can't even see the artwork

403
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it's this big and uh

404
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69 million dollars auctioned by

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christie's

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man

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oh

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i wish i had something worth an nft i

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have nothing

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be an nft i've absolutely nothing zero

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all right tonight we welcome very

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special guest race hobbes is here for

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ufos to the finish line coming up later

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on tonight micah hanks will be joining

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us

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and uh we're going to be talking about

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this event uh micah's gonna be speaking

418
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now i'm gonna be speaking

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and uh that's going down this weekend it

420
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is called x-con so we're gonna discuss

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that tonight and

422
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tomorrow night

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tyler glockner of secure team 10

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joins us now i think tyler

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i could be wrong about this but i think

426
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tyler's done

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one public interview

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right here on fade to black

429
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tomorrow night is going to be number two

430
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the man behind the biggest youtube ufo

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channel in the world is going to be with

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us tomorrow night wednesday night duke

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sullivan of world bigfoot radio was

434
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stopping by i saw duke over in the chat

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room right before the show it's gonna be

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duke said to me

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you know we need like a week to do a

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show

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00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,880
you know i got i'm like yeah i know i

440
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,440
get that so let's compress that into two

441
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,679
and a half hours dude and uh that's

442
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going down wednesday night thursday's

443
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,480
another fader night with open lines all

444
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night long

445
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:56,559
all right you all got some nfts i know

446
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,600
right it just doesn't make any sense

447
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,360
try scale

448
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,480
all right someone tweet that please okay

449
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,400
um river moon coffee

450
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:08,240
rivermoonwellness.com

451
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,950
if you don't pour over go over to amazon

452
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,280
get a stainless steel pour over

453
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,919
uh there's different qualities but 15

454
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:20,960
bucks

455
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,799
whatever it doesn't matter but stainless

456
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,600
steel's best no filter right okay get

457
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,919
one of those and start pouring

458
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:31,760
pour over

459
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,799
your coffee try scale

460
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:36,960
every time i see tri-scale tweet i think

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[Music]

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00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,559
all right

463
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,120
so i worked all weekend and i got to hit

464
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,960
this coffee against too good

465
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:50,799
rivermoonwellness.com

466
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,400
fade to black blend

467
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oh good lord

468
00:23:03,029 --> 00:22:59,679
is that pc is that is that on pc do i

469
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,039
need to be can i say good lord

470
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:05,120
sweet baby jesus

471
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,270
not right

472
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,240
so i worked all weekend

473
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,320
and i think that's rather ravi is

474
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:20,640
considering the mini strat video that

475
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,840
got posted yesterday right okay

476
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,679
and uh

477
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,080
yes there is going to be another guitar

478
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,039
video each weekend

479
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,200
for the next couple of years

480
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featuring something different and cool

481
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,520
um and whether you like it or not it

482
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,799
doesn't matter

483
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,960
they're coming and it's because it's

484
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something that i enjoy

485
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,679
all right so that's it that's my new

486
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:48,320
hobby making guitar videos that's my new

487
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,080
hobby get used to it it's gonna be

488
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popping up

489
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,880
there

490
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all right

491
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but during my time off over the last few

492
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days which is generally late at night

493
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i

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agency

495
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,320
which is adapted from douglas adams

496
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books and it lasted for only two seasons

497
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,720
but if you haven't checked it out it's

498
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:25,679
worth it go check out dirk chandley's

499
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,159
holistic detective agency freaking

500
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amazing series amazing book books

501
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:33,440
um anyway

502
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,360
i watched uh three or four 50s 1960s

503
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,679
time travel b movies

504
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and um

505
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when you go in like i did which is

506
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non-stop tv viewing until you pass out

507
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you end up walking talking thinking and

508
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dreaming

509
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time travel

510
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that's right

511
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:57,520
the words

512
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,559
einstein's theory of relativity and the

513
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time space continuum

514
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three dimensions plus a fourth time

515
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you know it's like repeated over and

516
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over again seriously it was all four

517
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movies

518
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and uh

519
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,720
you know those schlock

520
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,480
50s

521
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and uh

522
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,760
all the way to dirk gently it made it in

523
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the dirt gently i mean i just couldn't

524
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,279
believe it anyway here's the crazy part

525
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,880
most

526
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,640
got it right

527
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,960
at least how they are representing it

528
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,400
they really are

529
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:37,039
and the same issues with time travel

530
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,480
were talked about all the way back in

531
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:41,279
1951 which was the oldest film i watched

532
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but

533
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,880
yes the words were spoken the same

534
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:47,360
paradoxes were discussed and it just

535
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,320
makes you think a lot

536
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,360
and the first thing is this

537
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,799
has time travel already been done

538
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:58,640
as it happened

539
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,320
as in the now now like today has it

540
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,640
happened

541
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,320
yeah

542
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,039
something we're thinking about maybe

543
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,919
and if it has it would be a huge

544
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,919
national secret of the highest order no

545
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,080
question about it but

546
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,400
what about the future

547
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:19,760
in that

548
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,600
if it hasn't been invented yet

549
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,840
when will it

550
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,320
okay here's the deal back to einstein

551
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,679
and and something that i talk about a

552
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,520
lot and that is time travel to the

553
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,640
future is not only possible it's easy

554
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,159
right you don't need a time machine just

555
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,000
travel really fast you come back boom

556
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,760
you're in the future when you get back

557
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,440
to earth depending on how fast you were

558
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,039
going and how long you were gone you'll

559
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,440
experience the distant future and a

560
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,840
world where all of your friends and

561
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:50,159
family and loved ones

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00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,840
are

563
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,919
dead right but you'll get to check out

564
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:55,360
the tech

565
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,480
you know and the first thing you're

566
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:57,919
going to say hey hey man have you guys

567
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,039
invented time travel we have

568
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,600
right and can you get back to now now

569
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,840
and so you can talk about the future

570
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,159
right okay and then there's the twin

571
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,200
paradox the twin paradox which is

572
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,400
a pair of twins both wearing watches

573
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,799
one of the twins takes off in the in the

574
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,559
spaceship and he heads out that way and

575
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,880
there's this thing and

576
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,279
his watch versus this watch and if you

577
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:25,039
could see the watch and this and then

578
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,159
you come back

579
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,480
my brain just hurt

580
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,000
and then

581
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,159
last night

582
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,440
dirk gently dirt gently i got to come

583
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:37,679
back to that it was the riddle with the

584
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,679
innkeeper forget about the twin paradox

585
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,679
i got stumped last night the riddle with

586
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,440
the innkeeper which is

587
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:46,960
three brothers

588
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,000
have 10 gold pieces each and they go to

589
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,840
an inn and they want a room for the

590
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,440
night so they can crash the innkeeper

591
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,320
says

592
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,399
30 gold pieces

593
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,080
right so they give them the 30 gold

594
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,480
pieces they head up to the room and the

595
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,760
innkeeper says you know what i should

596
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,279
give them a discount they're all in the

597
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:05,840
same room so he brings over the bellhop

598
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:09,440
and says hey take these five gold pieces

599
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,720
up to the three brothers and give them a

600
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,520
discount on the room so the bellhop is

601
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,279
is walking up the stairs because man i

602
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,159
can't divide five gold pieces three ways

603
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,760
so he puts

604
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,240
two gold pieces in his pocket knocks on

605
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:26,480
the door and says here's a discount one

606
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,039
gold piece each right okay now one gold

607
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:32,640
piece each

608
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,919
means each brother paid nine gold pieces

609
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,240
each which is 27

610
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,880
and the two gold pieces in the bellhop's

611
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:42,000
pocket

612
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,679
equals 29. where did the extra gold

613
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,600
piece go

614
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,080
right and so last night now forget about

615
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:51,840
the twin paradox

616
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:54,720
and time travel and the speed of light

617
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:59,600
and einstein in the space time continuum

618
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:02,559
the riddle with the innkeeper and the 30

619
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,159
gold pieces kept me up all night i woke

620
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,760
up this morning

621
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,520
and i decided

622
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,159
that uh i needed to go to the bank i

623
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,799
wanted thirty one dollar bills

624
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,520
and the next party the next dinner party

625
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,919
i have over at the house i'm doing the

626
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,240
riddle with the innkeeper for real i'm

627
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,320
gonna give everybody ten dollars

628
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,120
i'm gonna pick out a bellhop right and

629
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:29,200
we're gonna do this

630
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,559
and see where the extra dollar goes

631
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,720
i'm just saying

632
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:37,520
i was stumped

633
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,960
and that was my weekend and so much i'm

634
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,799
still talking about i'm talking about it

635
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,240
right now with you

636
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:46,960
where did the extra dollar go and okay

637
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:50,080
all of you brainiacs out there post in

638
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:51,039
twitter

639
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,919
in the in the youtube chat where'd the

640
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,960
extra

641
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,120
gold piece go

642
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,080
see how smart you are

643
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,720
this is fade to black i am your host

644
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,240
jimmy church tonight

645
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:08,960
race hobbes is with us

646
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,360
that's right it's ufos and uaps race to

647
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,840
the finish tonight with race hobbs later

648
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,960
on tonight micah hanks is joining us

649
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,799
this is fade to black i am your host

650
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,760
jimmy church and uh micah and i i don't

651
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,240
think i think race is just hosting

652
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,240
but we're going to be at x-con this

653
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,760
weekend we'll be talking about that

654
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,919
tonight as well i'm your host jimmy

655
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,520
church this is fade to black i'm going

656
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,600
to take a quick break when i come back

657
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:38,000
we'll be joined with race hobbes stay

658
00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:39,810
with us

659
00:30:54,260 --> 00:31:02,389
[Music]

660
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,549
this is nicole church daughter of you

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your father's radio show

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on the game changer radio network

716
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,720
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

717
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,000
you're listening to jimmy

718
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:06,870
what's up chris what up this is

719
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:08,870
radio

720
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,280
[Music]

721
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:25,280
all right welcome back fade to black i

722
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,720
am your host jimmy church tonight race

723
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,040
hobbs is here

724
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:30,800
raise hobbs

725
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,599
ufos uaps the race to the finish later

726
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,520
on uh micah hanks is going to be

727
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,599
stopping by two as well

728
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,679
so it's a it's a two for tonight we get

729
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,839
both race and micah

730
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,000
and and mike is too busy

731
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,079
for race and eyes like man i got i got

732
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,159
like five minutes for you guys

733
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,000
and uh that's that's all that's going to

734
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,520
happen but race hobbes is is here

735
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:58,480
and and here's the thing race is the

736
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:02,160
program director over at a k-u-n-x

737
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,680
we've been working together now for

738
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,200
almost 10 years

739
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:08,640
um he has been investigating ufos

740
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:12,720
for like i i i think race is 75

741
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:14,839
years old and he's been investigating

742
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,960
ufos uh for 70 years uh since roswell he

743
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,320
was there

744
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,000
for the roswell crash in 1947 and so his

745
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:26,400
insight on all of this

746
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:30,160
is is so important and and and having

747
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,000
race on the show with me

748
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:34,079
uh a close friend but when i want to

749
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,359
find out

750
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,320
uh what is going on with this race to

751
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,880
disclosure i got to talk to race hobbs

752
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:42,560
that's right and we're going to do that

753
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,190
raise off raise how you doing my brother

754
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:51,839
no jimmy i'm good i'm good let me turn

755
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,119
my mic up here i'm ease into it

756
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,599
you know i'm good it's uh

757
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,680
it's good to see you uh

758
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,480
on camera man it's good to be here with

759
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,880
you yeah it's uh it's good to be here

760
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,640
with you too as well here

761
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,760
just just to make sure uh that

762
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,400
you get uh the full effect right you get

763
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,119
the you get the full jimmy let's just go

764
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,839
let's go like this let me let me match

765
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,800
you

766
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,760
uh there we go look at that

767
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:23,839
yeah you got a long way to go to make

768
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,440
your head as big as this one well

769
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,560
i can zoom right on in yeah i i i got

770
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,400
that ability now but see this is the

771
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,760
thing this is all high def you know now

772
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,480
i gotta shave every day and i have to

773
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:40,480
look presentable i have to wear a clean

774
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,520
shirt

775
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,400
you know and yeah it's it's crazy the

776
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,000
amount of work now

777
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,400
and uh it used to be radio it's not

778
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,880
radio anymore it's a tv production that

779
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,400
has audio

780
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,680
right it's

781
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,680
yeah and for those of us

782
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,280
and you don't know anything about this

783
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,320
jimmy but for those of us who have

784
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,200
a face for radio

785
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,400
it's detrimental to our career

786
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:09,040
how so

787
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,920
because i'm not made for video

788
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,440
[Laughter]

789
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:16,079
i'm not made for video bro

790
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,040
and

791
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,760
i had to order a special walleye lens

792
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,400
just to get me all in one shot

793
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,280
well

794
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:25,200
you know they make special lunches that

795
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:26,400
go the other direction

796
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,160
[Laughter]

797
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:32,320
you should get one of those man

798
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,839
on me yeah they're on

799
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:37,599
amazon and uh

800
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:41,599
the skinny sucked up race

801
00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:47,030
what happened

802
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,120
was up for three days damn

803
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:52,960
[Laughter]

804
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:56,160
oh man so um

805
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,440
you know

806
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,440
uh with um

807
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,000
you know your work in radio

808
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,280
move on research and

809
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,400
and your race no pun intended for

810
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,160
answers in this

811
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:12,640
and you know with what uh the k

812
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,560
uh unx uh the x represents in our

813
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,480
community today

814
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,720
um are you feeling it are you feeling it

815
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:22,240
what's the race

816
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,870
for me

817
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,880
the only thing about the the title of

818
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,800
this show is my name

819
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,960
because i'm not in a hurry to get

820
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,480
anywhere

821
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,040
the first off but the but the the big

822
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:41,440
thing for me is and and

823
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,190
i wasn't at roswell

824
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,960
you got to be honest i

825
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:51,760
i don't quite go back that far

826
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:52,880
but

827
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,480
my research goes back you know past

828
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,839
three decades

829
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,680
yes i know and um

830
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,440
investigation

831
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,960
goes back

832
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,560
two decades

833
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,119
and media goes back

834
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:08,880
15 years

835
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,710
if if i was to

836
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,680
sort of

837
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:16,960
you know

838
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,270
everybody that watches this this video

839
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,320
cast everybody that hears our voices on

840
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,320
it

841
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,400
the only way

842
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,200
you're ever going to get the truth

843
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:39,440
is when they want you to

844
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,320
right

845
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:41,280
yeah

846
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,480
um if i'm understanding you correctly

847
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:49,520
is

848
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,960
the journey more fun for you

849
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:54,160
than

850
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,040
right what a journey you know i i have

851
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,640
had some really interesting

852
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,880
conversations

853
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,720
with a lot of the folks that we work

854
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,960
with a lot of our colleagues over the

855
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:11,040
years and in the last weeks and months

856
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,079
even

857
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,760
that have really been

858
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,359
uh

859
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,040
super compelling

860
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,480
uh and fulfilling to me to to talk with

861
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:21,599
them

862
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,400
to to

863
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,520
[Music]

864
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:26,079
commune with them

865
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,119
but

866
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:28,640
the ride

867
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,079
the hobby the interest the very first

868
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:33,680
sparks in you

869
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:36,319
it comes in a million different ways

870
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,839
you could have been sitting on your deck

871
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:40,000
you know smoking a cigarette and saw

872
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:41,119
something

873
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,240
you could have been driving down the

874
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,720
road and your car all of a sudden stall

875
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,720
out and you know it's a big event you

876
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,040
know it could be a million ways that you

877
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,760
get an interest that begins

878
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,640
and where it ends

879
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,520
is

880
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,280
you know it's as vast as your

881
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,040
imagination

882
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,880
and um

883
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,720
at the end of the day

884
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,480
for me jimmy

885
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:06,640
at the end of the day it has been a

886
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,680
journey

887
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:10,319
the fellowship with people who have a

888
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,760
likened interest in what i have

889
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:14,640
and

890
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,839
for back then dude something that taboo

891
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,680
um and i say taboo

892
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:26,309
in a legal moral sense

893
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:27,359
you know

894
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:31,119
like

895
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,560
um

896
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,760
really

897
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:36,480
family members disown you friends disown

898
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:37,599
you

899
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:44,480
professors

900
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,359
um

901
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,079
it's it it can be tough uh it can be

902
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,760
real tough but

903
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:52,880
honestly that's what makes

904
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,079
people like me able to do what i've done

905
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,520
for so long

906
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,960
because over that

907
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:00,960
that course of time

908
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:03,839
your skin gets real thick yeah it does

909
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,040
it does it does and um now you've got a

910
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,839
lot of fans out there race and

911
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,480
which is wonderful but for those

912
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,960
that uh

913
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,359
have never heard from you before and

914
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,800
they're listening to you for the first

915
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:20,079
time

916
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:21,119
um

917
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,079
share

918
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,400
the beginning of the journey uh your

919
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,319
first sighting because two things

920
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:27,359
happened

921
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,400
um

922
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:30,640
very close to each other one

923
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,880
back in 1990 uh you you had your moment

924
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:37,200
and then a couple of years later you

925
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,720
decided to go and and start a ufo group

926
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,359
um in in fort smith

927
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:46,560
uh the aerial phenomenon research group

928
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,829
take us back to that what happened in

929
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,280
1990

930
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,319
and what made you go out and start a

931
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,599
paranormal ufo group

932
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,640
man in 1990 i was cutting at a radio

933
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,800
station or rock station uh in my

934
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,480
hometown

935
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,920
um

936
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,200
i was doing a

937
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:11,599
midnight shift yeah come on in honey

938
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,640
my my sweet wife is uh is that the bird

939
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:17,440
is that a bird she's bringing me some of

940
00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:20,560
that look at that smile hey bird

941
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,660
jimmy said hey bird

942
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,800
[Music]

943
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,640
some of that river moon coffee that's

944
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,440
what i'm talking about

945
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,000
okay sugar love you

946
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,710
now that is a grandmother

947
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,640
a mother

948
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,800
had a huge day yesterday as we derail

949
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,599
here

950
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,160
she's on her way next door to get more

951
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,720
grandbabies madness didn't she didn't

952
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:51,030
man

953
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,680
um so here we were

954
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,640
i mean grand babies will derail

955
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:01,359
any conversation i mean that's it that's

956
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,079
true

957
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,480
puppies and grandkids

958
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,560
care it's true

959
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,040
okay all right so 1990

960
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,440
you're you're playing uh the rock and

961
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,560
roll dj radio lifestyle

962
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,119
right you're in it in fort smith you're

963
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,520
you're at work okay so what happens

964
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,319
seven to midnight gig and i was just

965
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,920
running up on the end of my shift

966
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:26,160
getting real close to midnight

967
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,359
and uh

968
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,680
the phone goes off and you know and back

969
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,960
then

970
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,240
we had

971
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:33,839
a reel to reel

972
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,920
and the phone ran through it so

973
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,160
everything is on speaker like so you

974
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,720
just hit a button boom there they are

975
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:43,680
and

976
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,079
dude

977
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:54,960
there's

978
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:59,200
car and i was like wait wait wait

979
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,560
you know

980
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,319
what

981
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,280
that dog goes listen to me listen to me

982
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,720
he goes i'm on i'm on highway 10

983
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,560
i'm at the three-way

984
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,680
in spyro and piccola oklahoma which is

985
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,720
right over the the border

986
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,240
and uh you know we're down in the river

987
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,760
valley if you can imagine there's

988
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,520
mountains up here and mountains up here

989
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:23,119
and there's a river that snakes right

990
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,319
through the middle of them in this

991
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,480
valley and we're in okay

992
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,720
and down in this valley our radio

993
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,200
station was perched up on a big null

994
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,400
like the highest point in the valley

995
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,119
and so he's like and he knew where the

996
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,720
station was

997
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:41,760
and you know it was so late that he you

998
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,560
know

999
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,720
he he had this

1000
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,960
event happening to him

1001
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,079
and

1002
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,400
the first person he you know thought of

1003
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,079
to call that late

1004
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,839
that was up

1005
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,960
was me

1006
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:57,359
i mean honestly when i thought back

1007
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,560
about it

1008
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,359
it was really quick thinking on his part

1009
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,280
yeah no cell phones he's got to pull

1010
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:05,760
over he's got a pay phone no no no he

1011
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,079
had a brick phone he had a brick he had

1012
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,000
us uh

1013
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:12,640
he was a healthy roller he

1014
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,560
was a fort smith high roller that was a

1015
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,640
five dollar a minute

1016
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,920
cd

1017
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:21,839
that was the only

1018
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:24,400
the only brick phone in fort smith no

1019
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,440
doubt okay but he he calls he calls

1020
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,440
really uh

1021
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:31,839
you know he was he was he was wired up

1022
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,480
he was wired up pretty tight and okay so

1023
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,880
what happened and so he's like racy says

1024
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,040
if you go out you know outside your

1025
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,760
studio and look back this way

1026
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,839
you'll see it you'll you'll see what i'm

1027
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,200
i'm telling you about y'all you'll see

1028
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,079
it it's right over the top of my car

1029
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,240
so i reach up i put them on hold

1030
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,640
i go out the door

1031
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,040
um i had to go through my boss's office

1032
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,119
because his office was the main office

1033
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,680
and it had a big sliding glass door that

1034
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:02,319
went out the back onto this big patio

1035
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,920
and right when i got through that side

1036
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,000
glass door i could see the light

1037
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:08,400
i could see it it was like a welding

1038
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:09,440
light

1039
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:10,400
bright

1040
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,560
i want to say it was strict it was just

1041
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,920
you you

1042
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,440
you didn't want to look at it but you

1043
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,359
couldn't not look at it

1044
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,040
sort of like looking at me

1045
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,160
yeah yeah yeah that's true

1046
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,319
and and and honestly

1047
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,559
you know i i was captured by it because

1048
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:32,319
the first thing that i really noticed

1049
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,599
that was that was kind of really weird

1050
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,040
first off i couldn't see what it was

1051
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,680
attached to i could just see the light

1052
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,599
but the thing that i noticed was that i

1053
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,079
could see the light on the foliage

1054
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,480
beneath it on the on the tree canopy and

1055
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,960
the ground below it

1056
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,400
and

1057
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,040
i want to say like 25 maybe 30 25

1058
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,880
degrees

1059
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:57,119
off the horizon it was maybe i don't

1060
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,559
know it was five six eight miles away

1061
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,359
but it was moving real slow just really

1062
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,960
slowly

1063
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:08,079
and i forgot

1064
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,599
about the station what i was doing

1065
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,839
everything i i just

1066
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:15,839
i was just caught up in that moment

1067
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,119
right right not moving crazy it wasn't

1068
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:21,599
doing anything erratic it wasn't

1069
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,920
deviating from its path it was quiet

1070
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,040
i mean

1071
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,920
it was just there and and it's like

1072
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,920
there's a bright light it's shining on

1073
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,200
the ground

1074
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,359
i can't see what it's attached to i'm

1075
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:36,800
going through this

1076
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,079
how far away from where you are

1077
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:43,760
do you think this this object was

1078
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,480
it was less it was i want to say less

1079
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,800
than eight miles away oh it's right

1080
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:49,599
there

1081
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,800
yeah well it in in as as a crow flies it

1082
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,040
is yeah yeah yeah no doubt

1083
00:49:02,790 --> 00:48:57,520
because you know here it's

1084
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:02,800
prairie it's it's more like prairie land

1085
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,920
and you can see a pretty good distance

1086
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,319
in just about any direction east or west

1087
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,839
from here

1088
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,160
as long as you're not in the trees

1089
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,630
so i i'm like

1090
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,920
holy crap you know i'm radio station i

1091
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,680
run back in

1092
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,079
it's dead air

1093
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:27,839
static you know oh the number one no no

1094
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,559
and so i just thought

1095
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:32,160
i've got to grab

1096
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:32,960
the

1097
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,520
two you know

1098
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,720
there's peter frampton yeah

1099
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,480
and then there was my one of my

1100
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,319
favorites was molly hatchet dreams i'll

1101
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,240
never see it's like a nine minute song

1102
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,119
yes it is a good one too yeah you bet it

1103
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,800
was one of my favorites i listened to it

1104
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,040
just the other day but i grabbed it i

1105
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,720
knew right where the disc was i threw it

1106
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,040
in the denon and i've hit play and and

1107
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,680
then i grabbed the phone

1108
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,599
put it up to my ear i was like dude are

1109
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,040
you still there and he goes did you see

1110
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,800
it did you see it

1111
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,480
and i was like i saw it man what the

1112
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,480
heck what the hell was that you know and

1113
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:10,079
he goes man i don't know what it is

1114
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,680
because i can still see it i can see he

1115
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,480
goes

1116
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:15,359
i was sitting at the light

1117
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,559
and

1118
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,359
he noticed that it was bright out

1119
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,760
but he just thought it was a full moon

1120
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,000
and where he was

1121
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,240
the there's a street light it's a

1122
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,319
two-lane highway that goes this way and

1123
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,160
there's a two-lane highway that connects

1124
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:32,319
right here and there's a gas station

1125
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,280
there

1126
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:35,520
and maybe like a sonic right beside it

1127
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,000
and that's about it that's there

1128
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,520
and

1129
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,520
there's a big arm that goes up with the

1130
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:43,119
street light right

1131
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,480
and he could see on the street in front

1132
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,920
of him

1133
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,079
the shadow moving

1134
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:52,960
like the shadow was moving oh from the

1135
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,359
light from the craft from the craft

1136
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,000
light as it was moving forward that

1137
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,559
shadow was i guess pulling to him

1138
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,480
and he looked over to his left there was

1139
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,079
a couple of trees

1140
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,599
and he could see it was definitely

1141
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,440
moving so when the light turned green he

1142
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,960
pulled through the the intersection and

1143
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,880
he pulled over on the shoulder and he

1144
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,119
got out and he looked up and

1145
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,960
i said what did you see what did you see

1146
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,960
it and he was like he was like race it

1147
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,480
was a cigar

1148
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,960
he said it looked like a big submarine

1149
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,359
like a cigar or a submarine and the

1150
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,680
light was on the front side of it and it

1151
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,599
was just as

1152
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,359
quiet as could be it didn't make any

1153
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:31,680
sound at all

1154
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,400
and i was like holy mackerel i said how

1155
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,920
big do you think it goes man i have no

1156
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,640
idea i don't know how high it was

1157
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,000
i don't know how that don't have

1158
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:42,240
anything any frame of reference you know

1159
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,119
so

1160
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,680
it was a pretty you know for him it was

1161
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,000
intense it was an intense did it move

1162
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,160
closer to you did you ever get a chance

1163
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:53,119
no no no it was moving due east it was

1164
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:54,000
moving

1165
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:57,839
due east

1166
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:01,920
right towards uh a big army base

1167
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,040
it was about to fly right over

1168
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,160
if it wasn't yet by the time i realized

1169
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:09,359
i had

1170
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,880
forgotten my job and ran inside it was

1171
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,640
probably approaching approaching the

1172
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,200
border of chaffee at that point

1173
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,240
and um and so

1174
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:21,680
we hung up

1175
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:29,190
for a long time you know what i mean

1176
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,880
like i just i was

1177
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,359
really wondering what the

1178
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,119
and so you know i remember i was at

1179
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:36,880
sunday dinner

1180
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:40,319
fried chicken mashed potatoes gravy corn

1181
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,440
rolls

1182
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,200
at mom's

1183
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,319
piled high kitchen table

1184
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:48,880
and i brought it up

1185
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,400
and mom started telling me stories about

1186
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,880
seeing ufos over the airport back in the

1187
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,079
60s

1188
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,960
and dad was like oh that was just planes

1189
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,599
refueling or whatever well

1190
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,240
later my research told me

1191
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,559
that's what was in the paper

1192
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:08,880
when you know hundreds of people saw

1193
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:11,680
these objects moving around crazy over

1194
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:13,839
you know way up high over the uh of

1195
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:16,480
where the airport was

1196
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,000
the the you know the military

1197
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,400
uh the the military statement was that

1198
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,200
they were doing refueling missions um

1199
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,839
over the airport over the 188 tactical

1200
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,680
fighter wing

1201
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,760
and my dad always remembered to my dad

1202
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:33,839
here's this was very interesting my

1203
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,400
mother was cherokee indian and

1204
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:38,559
all of her relatives and ancestors they

1205
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:42,480
all believe in and sky people and it's

1206
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:43,839
just

1207
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,400
they're as real as the air we breathe

1208
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,200
you know it's no big deal like to talk

1209
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,160
about it in their culture

1210
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,520
on that side of the of the family

1211
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,119
my dad

1212
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,319
he believed in ghosts

1213
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,880
but he didn't believe in aliens

1214
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,640
he didn't believe in extraterrestrial

1215
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:08,160
life here

1216
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,200
um

1217
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,200
and i asked him one time i said dad why

1218
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:13,599
is that why how how can you believe in

1219
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,480
like

1220
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,319
ghosts

1221
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:18,000
and then he goes well i don't know what

1222
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,760
you know i don't know what the true

1223
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:22,319
definition of ghosts are

1224
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,680
but

1225
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,400
i saw one

1226
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,559
i saw

1227
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,880
something that was moving that looked

1228
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,720
like a human being that you could see

1229
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,839
through

1230
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:35,680
and you could hear it

1231
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:39,359
your dad said this yeah yeah

1232
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,079
see

1233
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,280
my great grandfather he moved down from

1234
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,240
shea burg arkansas

1235
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,559
uh

1236
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,319
i want to say

1237
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,400
in the 20s

1238
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,119
he sold his steel operation his his

1239
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,440
moonshine operation everything

1240
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,200
um

1241
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,599
to one of his neighbors

1242
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:03,760
in like 28

1243
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:04,839
and

1244
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:13,760
then then the then the the the crash hit

1245
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:16,880
and the the market you know tanked and

1246
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:19,760
and you know money was tight and and he

1247
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:23,680
wound up buying a bunch of land

1248
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:27,040
he had five sons

1249
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,319
and uh

1250
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,559
three of them were in the military and

1251
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,119
and two of them were in the army

1252
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,880
air corps

1253
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,359
at right out there at that world war two

1254
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:39,599
military base that you know turned into

1255
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,720
a world war ii military base but like

1256
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:43,920
they knew

1257
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:47,040
that the corps of engineers

1258
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,760
was about to build a pontoon bridge from

1259
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,839
a town called van buren which is where i

1260
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,359
live now

1261
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:55,599
to to fort smith

1262
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,480
and link the two cities together across

1263
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,160
the river

1264
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,680
back then we didn't have the big bridges

1265
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,680
and everything yet you know so

1266
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:05,440
when he found out about that from his

1267
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,400
son

1268
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,559
he knew that there was going to be a lot

1269
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,720
of business

1270
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,799
on you know coming off that pontoon

1271
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:13,680
bridge

1272
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,480
onto the land in fort smith there so he

1273
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:18,319
bought all that land there

1274
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,520
well

1275
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,680
on the on some of that property that he

1276
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,720
bought like 500 600 acres he bought

1277
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,559
he wound up

1278
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:27,520
um

1279
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,400
that well there was a an old

1280
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:33,040
bar and it's like saloon there that was

1281
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,839
from

1282
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,480
1800s it's built in 1800s

1283
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,400
and it was like

1284
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,760
you know it's just like something you'd

1285
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,640
see in

1286
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,079
on gunsmoke

1287
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,400
you know kitty's place you know you have

1288
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,359
a nice big bar in there and it's opulent

1289
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,520
and really nice then there's card tables

1290
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,359
and dining tables and

1291
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,200
you know and all that and then you go up

1292
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,799
some stairs it goes this way and that

1293
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,319
way and there's rooms up there you can

1294
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,599
rent to stay like a hotel or guest house

1295
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:01,119
or whatever

1296
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,400
well it was old and kind of run down and

1297
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,200
the kids my my grand great grandfather

1298
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:09,760
built a a fuel station

1299
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,720
that right beside it and

1300
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,520
my the kids used to my dad grant my

1301
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,119
granddad used to go up their work and

1302
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,280
and my my dad and his sister and their

1303
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,799
friends and all used to go over in that

1304
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:21,920
old

1305
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:24,160
and play saloon you know

1306
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:25,599
belly up to the bar and that kind of

1307
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,720
thing

1308
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,040
and he said that one day they were in

1309
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,440
there playing saloon or whatever and

1310
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:33,920
they heard chains

1311
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:37,040
upstairs and like footprints like foot

1312
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,720
like boots walking on the floor up there

1313
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,480
and then they

1314
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,559
they it just froze them all they all

1315
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,880
just stopped in their tracks and like

1316
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,240
were

1317
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:50,480
you know listening intently

1318
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:52,839
and he said that you could

1319
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,839
hear steps coming down the steps you

1320
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:57,839
know like boots

1321
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,559
you know coming down the steps

1322
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:02,160
and

1323
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,079
got down where he could you know thought

1324
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:13,680
he could see it

1325
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,440
he could see he claimed

1326
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:19,599
like an apparition that you could see

1327
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,400
through

1328
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,760
you know very faintly coming coming down

1329
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,440
that section of stairs and they all

1330
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,440
bolted out of there and never went back

1331
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:28,720
into place

1332
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:29,520
but

1333
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:32,079
that's why he believed in ghosts

1334
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:33,520
but um

1335
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,240
now that'll do it i i wait i want

1336
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,079
i want that race

1337
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,559
you know i've seen thing you know okay

1338
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:45,040
but i want that

1339
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:49,119
i want the ghost shot right the the full

1340
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:53,280
body the entity the human shape

1341
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,640
i i i cannot wait it's gonna happen

1342
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,960
it's gonna happen that's compelling yeah

1343
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:00,799
yeah i don't know

1344
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:03,520
that one i've i've i've seen

1345
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,359
the the ufo the big manufactured craft

1346
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:09,200
that puts you on your ass i've never

1347
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,960
seen it yet and i have so what okay so

1348
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,200
what do you prefer do you are

1349
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,520
would you trade in your ghost your

1350
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,000
haunted house that you lived in forever

1351
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,160
by the way no

1352
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,799
would you trade that for a ufo no

1353
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,640
no really

1354
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:29,040
because i know ufos exist well i

1355
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,000
wouldn't

1356
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:32,960
i don't have to i don't have to

1357
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,000
wouldn't have to see one of those in

1358
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,280
order to you know for it to to alter my

1359
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:41,680
perception about maybe so

1360
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:45,520
true but i would not trade my beer can

1361
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:48,559
ufo sighting for a ghost

1362
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,480
no way i don't blame you no no way yeah

1363
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,720
no way man i'll take my beer can and

1364
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,280
raise you i'll raise you a six pack

1365
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,280
i'm telling you right now that's a good

1366
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,680
that was a good sign that was the real i

1367
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,839
mean that that that

1368
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,839
still to this day

1369
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,839
i think about it i think about it every

1370
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,079
day raised maybe a couple of times every

1371
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,520
day

1372
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:13,599
what the hell

1373
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,559
i'm so glad steve marillo was with me

1374
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,480
and lucinda and you know all of my

1375
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:20,480
friends we were there but steve marilla

1376
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,960
was right there man i got that i got

1377
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:24,480
that on video

1378
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:25,599
and

1379
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:26,480
uh

1380
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,319
dinner party

1381
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,559
at my house and him and his wife pat

1382
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,559
when that when they come over they bring

1383
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,920
their cots

1384
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:41,920
and they crash up and down

1385
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,760
in the loft

1386
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,359
and they're set to go they got their

1387
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:47,839
dogs and they're like man let's go let's

1388
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,480
go let's do some sky watching and uh

1389
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,000
hanging out with uh marilla for the

1390
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,760
weekend let's take our break right here

1391
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:55,359
this is fade to black i'm your host

1392
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:56,559
jimmy church

1393
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:59,520
tonight it is the race

1394
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,720
the race that's right ufos and uaps to

1395
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:04,400
the finish line when i come back after

1396
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,359
the break

1397
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,160
micah hanks is going to join us yeah so

1398
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,400
we get micah and race

1399
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,240
at the same time this is fade to black

1400
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,000
on the other side of the church

1401
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:16,880
more with race and micah

1402
01:01:24,110 --> 01:01:19,040
after this short break want you to stay

1403
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:35,430
[Music]

1404
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:37,589
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1405
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:41,290
on the game changer radio network

1406
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,640
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1407
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:45,119
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1408
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,559
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1409
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1410
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,799
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1411
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,960
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1412
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or maybe you're a collector just like me

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hi racehobbes with the x obviously if

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you're listening to this you have an

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01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:51,119
interest in unexplained phenomena like

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ghosts bigfoot and ufos and by now you

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01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:56,880
know that we have our own ex-blog the

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next newsletter and the unex magazine

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quarterly but most of you don't know

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that we have started our very own

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paranormal conference and this year for

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safety this two-day ex-con will be

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virtual so you can attend from the

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01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,319
comfort of your home ex-con presenters

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include whitley strieber micah hanks

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margie k and preston dennett lisa martin

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01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:19,599
and wayne lawrence lee spiegel debbie

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zaglemeyer dan terry kate gravoski and

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ray hernandez there will also be a live

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hang out with us in the safety of home

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01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:35,599
as we set out to explain the unexplained

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planet and you're listening to my good

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01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:04,880
friend jimmy church fade to black

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this is toby kebble you're listening to

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hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

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we're the honey brothers

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and you're listening to jimmy church a

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01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,119
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

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at jimmy church radio

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hello this is serena wright taylor from

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01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,000
conscious life expo and you're listening

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01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,400
to fade to black with jimmy church who

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01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:46,720
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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astrological chart since

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1963. true story

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01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,839
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

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01:06:06,790 --> 01:05:55,520
report and you're listening to jimmy

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01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:17,270
[Music]

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01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,430
all right welcome back fade to black i

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01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:22,000
am your host jimmy church

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01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,839
that's right we got race hobbs here he's

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01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,240
right there we got race hobbes and uh

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01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,079
coming in right now we've got to want to

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01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,480
know i was going to do a long intro

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01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,640
uh for this uh gentleman but uh let's

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01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,119
just get uh straight to it and say

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01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:37,039
we got mike hanks here too

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01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,480
and now here's here's the deal uh

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01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:43,039
i've got the two

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01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:46,799
biggest smoothest voices in radio

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01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:49,039
on the show tonight and i'm gonna get

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01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:50,160
overshadowed

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01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,599
i had to warm up my my pipes uh during

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01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,839
the parade to make sure

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01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:57,760
that i could hang with uh these two

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01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,079
gentlemen micah how you doing my brother

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01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,400
i'm hanging in there i'm doing well how

1525
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:04,079
am i sounding did i live up to every

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01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:07,039
expectation oh man i'm telling you

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01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:08,880
uh i've got my work cut out for me

1528
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,880
tonight i've just gotta i've gotta get

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01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,200
the proximity effect going

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01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:15,440
get deep into the diaphragm of this

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01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:21,510
it's always good

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01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,599
unless it becomes natural for you and

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01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:25,200
then you don't even have to try it's

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01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:30,870
i'm gonna watch you two battle for

1535
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:33,520
airtight now micah is the true

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01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:35,359
the one and only

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01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,920
mouth of the south he is the true mouth

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01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,319
of the south no don't don't

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01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:42,400
ever take that from him

1540
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,440
you know years ago race um

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01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,039
i don't know if you caught this show but

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01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,440
this was this was a while ago

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01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:51,359
uh probably seven years

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01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,960
um um

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01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:54,799
i told micah during the break i said

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01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,319
okay man i want you to do alex jones

1547
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,880
and when we come back after the break

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01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:01,760
uh

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01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,599
just go full alex jones and when when

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01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,440
micah does this see this back before we

1551
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,000
were doing video i'm watching micah

1552
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:12,640
watching his veins stand out on his neck

1553
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,440
and his forehead and what he has to do

1554
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:18,080
to do is alex jones but anyway

1555
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:19,839
audience didn't know that

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01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:23,520
the phone lines lit up

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01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:25,279
and and and

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01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:31,520
for for a good five minutes man i had to

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01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,040
slow him down

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01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,440
and and finally to stop the phones

1561
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:37,920
because everybody thought that was alex

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01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:39,040
jones

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01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,719
and uh it was uh it was radio magic man

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01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:44,880
and i had to deal with the email

1565
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:46,719
uh mike i don't know if you realized

1566
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:49,199
this i got an email for like two months

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01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,839
that wasn't cool

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01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:53,679
man oh god

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01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,960
yes

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01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:56,960
yeah exactly exactly

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01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,759
um

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01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:58,719
uh

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01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:00,880
micah you and i are going to be speaking

1574
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,120
this weekend over at xcon

1575
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,239
and uh which starts friday the 13th by

1576
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,920
the way um

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01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:08,960
what do you mean

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01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,470
what are you gonna be uh what are you

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01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,400
gonna be presenting

1580
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,120
well uh you know normally these days as

1581
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:21,199
you know as your listeners know uh when

1582
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,880
you and i get together we're talking

1583
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,040
about ufos um

1584
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,799
and my only regret is that i mean we

1585
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:28,159
jimmy look we have some really great

1586
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:29,920
conversations but when hobbs and i get

1587
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,239
on the call together

1588
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,000
and start talking about that it's a it's

1589
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:36,080
a whole nother nightmare of its own but

1590
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,640
uh it's like dulce bass level seven

1591
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,640
or mario brothers level eight one or the

1592
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,799
other sure not sure but but the thing is

1593
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,000
is that uh

1594
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:48,239
for this occasion margie k actually said

1595
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:49,279
listen

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01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,719
uh i want somebody this weekend who will

1597
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,280
talk about sasquatch and she said i know

1598
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,600
you take that subject seriously

1599
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:00,000
um and and asked you know would you do a

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01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,600
lecture about that and it's kind of an

1601
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,880
interesting thing you know alejandra

1602
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:05,280
rojas and i were talking earlier today

1603
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,400
about

1604
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,320
for those who have read skinwalkers at

1605
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,400
the pentagon by james lakatsky

1606
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,320
co-authored with george knapp you know

1607
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:14,560
the legendary journalist and colm

1608
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,840
kelleher who had worked with the

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01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,600
national institute for discovery science

1610
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:19,040
under bob bigelow

1611
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:20,560
uh and has worked you know with him for

1612
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,400
a number of years those who read that

1613
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,320
book will note that they say

1614
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,800
lakatsky primarily look the advanced

1615
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:28,480
aerospace weapons systems application

1616
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,600
program it was a uap program but

1617
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,679
scientifically speaking we did not want

1618
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,840
to go in and color what we were studying

1619
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:37,520
with our biases

1620
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:39,679
and say we're only looking for what

1621
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:42,640
might be advanced aerospace vehicles and

1622
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:44,719
so we're going to narrow our scope no

1623
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,920
they said look

1624
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,440
all kinds of things were being reported

1625
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,760
out there on this ranch in utah

1626
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,600
and on the outside chance that there

1627
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,280
were any relationships between the

1628
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:55,040
various kinds of phenomena we studied

1629
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,880
all of it but it was a uav program now

1630
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,800
all that to say one of the things that

1631
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,640
they claimed that they experienced out

1632
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:02,400
there at skimwalker ranch were quote

1633
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,920
unquote and this is how it appears in

1634
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,480
the book bigfoot creatures

1635
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:09,120
that were seen on the property now

1636
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,800
i don't make any connections between the

1637
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:12,640
uap phenomena

1638
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,520
necessarily and sasquatch but there's a

1639
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,120
commonality in the way that i approach

1640
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,520
both those topics and that is that we

1641
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,840
put so much emphasis on the government

1642
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:23,440
the us government the federal government

1643
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,800
primarily but also this comes down to

1644
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:26,320
the state level you know different

1645
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:27,920
governmental agencies in the way that

1646
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,560
they approach the uap issue

1647
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:32,719
so i started looking at that uh the

1648
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,880
sasquatch question from that perspective

1649
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,360
you know who has filed foia requests are

1650
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:39,040
there government reports is there any

1651
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,360
data from credible government sources

1652
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,520
that relates to a seemingly incredible

1653
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,199
and frankly what many would categorize

1654
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:47,600
as a preposterous topic and lo and

1655
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,719
behold

1656
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,960
to my surprise there's very little

1657
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,280
information but there's some i have now

1658
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,679
interviewed park rangers who have worked

1659
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:57,840
in national parks who have been

1660
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,960
employees of the department of the

1661
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:01,040
interior who have said

1662
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,239
i never would have believed in this kind

1663
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,800
of thing until i saw it myself i've

1664
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:06,719
uncovered accounts of government trained

1665
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:10,080
geologists biologists uh rangers as

1666
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:11,840
aforementioned

1667
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,400
of course the fbi had a file on bigfoot

1668
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,480
which was the result of a request by a

1669
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,280
researcher named peter byrne who asked

1670
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:21,199
the fbi to analyze some hair samples

1671
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:23,120
back in the 1970s those files by the way

1672
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,480
were first released by our mutual

1673
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,040
colleague john greenwald

1674
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,719
there are a lot of

1675
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:30,480
interesting maybe not necessarily

1676
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:32,960
smoking gun type documentation but

1677
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:34,960
interesting documents from various

1678
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:38,480
agencies and then also i've gone through

1679
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,880
uh the process of appealing to on an

1680
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:42,640
individual state by state level numerous

1681
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:45,520
states using the um similar the foyer

1682
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:47,440
process it's known as public records act

1683
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,560
requests

1684
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,880
each state has a different name for it

1685
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,800
but i've reached out to different uh

1686
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,560
divisions of wildlife

1687
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,600
um and and similar forestry and wildlife

1688
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,120
agencies in different states and asked

1689
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,600
for files and documentation in one

1690
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,960
instance

1691
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,640
in a state that has an abundance of

1692
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:07,120
sightings i befriended the park

1693
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:08,320
naturalist

1694
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,600
and he uh he shared some documentation

1695
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:13,360
and again much of this really comes down

1696
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:14,640
just to people being interested

1697
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:17,120
researchers doing things and claimed

1698
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,400
you know sightings

1699
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,400
um there was one instance though where

1700
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,320
uh state records were sent along to me

1701
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,159
that reportedly involved a strange

1702
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,239
handprint that was left on a vehicle

1703
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,719
which to my interest and and

1704
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:31,360
satisfaction remains you know

1705
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:33,440
questionable i mean i can't say this was

1706
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,159
a relict hominoid but it certainly is a

1707
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,800
very interesting specimen we'll say so

1708
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,719
all that to say uh sasquatch and

1709
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,239
government has become an interest of

1710
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,320
mine um and

1711
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,000
the the main thrust of this is

1712
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,920
essentially that government agencies say

1713
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,320
and do as little with this as possible

1714
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:52,000
they try to ignore it they try to avoid

1715
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,480
it and here again the commonality being

1716
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,480
that it's very much how the ufo topic is

1717
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:58,560
treated until it gets to a point where

1718
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,600
the government

1719
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,040
has so much pressure on them that they

1720
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,000
can no longer ignore it due to citizenry

1721
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:06,320
or even elected officials placing uh how

1722
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,840
would how would we say this race

1723
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:09,760
leveraging pressure in washington

1724
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,189
it yeah uh i think is really what it's

1725
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,360
all about you know but no all kidding

1726
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:18,640
aside i mean

1727
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:21,679
seriously the idea that ufos have kind

1728
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,440
of broken this glass ceiling in recent

1729
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,600
years and now many elected officials

1730
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,600
many government agencies whether by

1731
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,840
choice or you know by pressure are

1732
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:31,280
having to look at this

1733
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,960
i don't think it's inconceivable based

1734
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,480
on the testimony i've received from park

1735
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,920
rangers and other employees of the

1736
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:37,760
united states federal government that

1737
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,600
that could happen with the

1738
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:41,600
claimed relic tomenoids as scientists

1739
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:42,880
like to call them or what we would

1740
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:46,000
commonly call sasquatch

1741
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:50,640
you brought up john greenwald and his

1742
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:51,760
uh

1743
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,800
the park rangers

1744
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:00,400
which had

1745
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,239
this page in in in the manual

1746
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:06,640
uh talking about the testing that was

1747
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:07,600
done

1748
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,920
and that and now i'm paraphrasing here i

1749
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,840
don't have the page in front of me but

1750
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,360
uh that the testing was done and it

1751
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,840
wasn't human it wasn't any known

1752
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,080
uh species on planet earth you know

1753
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,000
something that dramatic

1754
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,560
um in the manual when discussing bigfoot

1755
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:25,360
and sasquatch so greenwald

1756
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,400
um

1757
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:28,080
goes now he's

1758
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:29,840
once he's on the trail right he's got a

1759
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,880
sniff

1760
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:32,719
he knows that there's information out

1761
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:35,679
there there was testing was done and i

1762
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:38,080
believe john and i talked about this

1763
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,280
last week

1764
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:41,280
once again on fade to black

1765
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,400
and

1766
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:44,400
they came back with

1767
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,360
i i want to get this correct if i don't

1768
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:50,000
micah maybe you you know a bit more

1769
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:53,679
that the results from the lab testing

1770
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,320
were lost

1771
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,480
well you hear claims about that kind of

1772
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,120
thing a lot now the fbi files that i'm

1773
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,199
not sure about a park service manual but

1774
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:05,760
i i know that with the fbi files that uh

1775
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:07,440
and really quickly the backstory on this

1776
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:10,000
was researcher david politis of uh

1777
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:13,120
missing411 fame had asked john listen

1778
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,480
have you ever tried appealing to

1779
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:16,640
government agencies about sasquatch and

1780
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,400
john said well actually no i haven't so

1781
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,719
let's try it and i tell you john

1782
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,800
you know it's like when he

1783
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,719
files a foia request you know i mean

1784
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:26,719
it's it's like you know he's shaking the

1785
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,960
dice and he's throwing you know and he's

1786
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,880
like it's like watching a person in a

1787
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,560
casino who really knows how to gamble

1788
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:34,080
and is really skilled and really good at

1789
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:35,280
it and you're like

1790
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,600
is this person spoofing us

1791
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,440
does this guy actually have some mutant

1792
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:41,679
power where he can cause the dice

1793
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:43,280
to roll and land a certain way because

1794
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,320
john

1795
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:46,239
has such skill

1796
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,640
you know and can and can file foia

1797
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,400
requests that researchers have tried to

1798
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,199
get to blow open for years and john

1799
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:55,840
knows the method and the path

1800
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,960
whether it's you know following what's

1801
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,640
known as a mandatory declassification

1802
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,080
review or you know just an appeal on a

1803
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:03,920
foia that you know has been rejected for

1804
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:06,080
various reasons john has tremendous

1805
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,600
success getting this stuff and so yes he

1806
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:09,360
appeals to the fbi and for as far as i

1807
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:11,199
know the first time in history

1808
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:13,760
got a fairly significant you know series

1809
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,719
of documents related to the fbi who said

1810
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,640
essentially at the request of peter berm

1811
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,960
peter berm was the irish-born researcher

1812
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,560
who was known to i mean if you ever

1813
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,719
watched in search of and some of the

1814
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:27,199
documentaries from back in the 70s right

1815
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,840
race i know you did

1816
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:30,880
unmistakable voice

1817
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,000
yeah i can't recognize his voice

1818
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:36,400
anywhere yes indeed he he just had that

1819
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:39,600
very very regal regal divorce

1820
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,080
and and to me burn always brought a

1821
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,320
credibility when he discussed the topic

1822
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,040
because he was this gentlemanly guy

1823
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,040
he was a former big game hunter

1824
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,040
who had given up the gun and had become

1825
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,440
a conservationist you know and he was a

1826
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,679
protector of wildlife but especially as

1827
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:57,600
a result of his scientific expeditions

1828
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,120
throughout the pacific northwest and not

1829
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:01,360
to forget that prior to that he'd also

1830
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,080
spent time in the himalayas

1831
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,760
conducting

1832
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:07,920
investigations and and expeditions in

1833
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,560
search of the famous yeti the purported

1834
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,719
creature similar to sasquatch that

1835
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:14,159
allegedly resides in that part of the

1836
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:16,640
world and these were funded by a wealthy

1837
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:19,920
philanthropist and oil tycoon tom slick

1838
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,400
um but you know peter by the way peter

1839
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,320
is in his 90s he's still alive he still

1840
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:26,000
lives up in the dolls in oregon and i

1841
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:27,360
called him and interviewed him a couple

1842
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,719
of years ago

1843
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:31,440
and he remembered the plane crash in the

1844
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:35,040
60s when uh when tom slick died and how

1845
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,640
he almost got out of the research after

1846
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,880
that but all this said

1847
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:40,880
you know peter was just an icon in the

1848
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:42,000
field and so many people who have

1849
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:43,520
watched in search of in these shows will

1850
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,480
remember him um and and it was studying

1851
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,480
sasquatch really that kind of i think

1852
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,880
probably brought him away from the hunt

1853
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:52,080
and onto a different kind of a hunt

1854
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,280
where he never carried a weapon ever

1855
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:55,120
again in fact he was a very

1856
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,920
no-kill researcher he advocated using

1857
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:59,600
tranquilizers and things like this he

1858
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:01,040
even had a very novel system in the

1859
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,239
1990s during a it was a boston based

1860
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,080
science organization that was funding

1861
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,159
his research at that time and he had

1862
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:09,920
insisted that

1863
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:12,880
he wanted to use darts that would be uh

1864
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,960
injected in like you would shoot this

1865
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,719
dart into the creature the specimen

1866
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,400
presumably a sasquatch what would happen

1867
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,159
is it would be like a little dart

1868
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:22,239
a non-invasive technology that would

1869
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,199
actually eject a small sample right a

1870
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,880
tissue sample without harming the

1871
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,239
creature

1872
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:29,600
because he wanted to be able to prove

1873
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:31,120
their existence without doing what

1874
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,800
science normally calls for which is

1875
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,719
harvesting a body right

1876
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,360
a biopsy dart

1877
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:39,679
probably yeah yeah something yes

1878
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,199
yeah yeah the problem with that is

1879
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:45,520
if you don't have

1880
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:51,590
what good for dna

1881
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:53,120
there's going to come a day

1882
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:54,080
where

1883
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:55,040
junk

1884
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,719
dna

1885
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,760
is going to be the new walmart of the

1886
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:02,400
genetics world if it's not already and

1887
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,080
the other thing too is that you know

1888
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,400
many bio biologists even those who are

1889
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:08,719
not even willing to entertain an idea

1890
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,920
like the and this seems like an

1891
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,760
outlandish proposition but we could talk

1892
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:13,120
about some evidence here in a moment if

1893
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,800
you like which i think is important to

1894
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:16,159
do especially when it relates to

1895
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:17,840
government employees who have claimed to

1896
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,679
have had these experiences but even the

1897
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,360
more skeptical biologists i've been a

1898
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,080
part of some ongoing uh at various times

1899
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:25,600
when my schedule allows for it as you

1900
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,800
guys know i've been traveling outside

1901
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:27,840
the country for the last couple of

1902
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:30,480
months but you know the um when my

1903
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:32,159
schedule allows for it i try to network

1904
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:33,920
with and communicate with scientists

1905
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:36,080
some of them skeptical but interested at

1906
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:37,760
the possibility and then some who are

1907
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,960
proponents

1908
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:40,880
uh based on what data they have seen for

1909
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:42,960
the existence of relic tominoids i.e

1910
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:45,280
sasquatch-like creatures but all of them

1911
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:46,719
share one thing in common they basically

1912
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,159
say this is how science works as

1913
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,280
biologists there must be a type specimen

1914
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:53,440
even if you collect dna and like you

1915
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:54,880
were saying uh

1916
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,480
jimmy you know if there were

1917
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:59,120
anomalous samples that couldn't be

1918
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:01,280
um conclusively matched to a known

1919
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:02,400
specimen

1920
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,840
just because you have an unknown doesn't

1921
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,199
mean you've solved the mystery you have

1922
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,440
an unknown sample what we would need

1923
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,360
would be a type specimen in order to

1924
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:12,000
prove that sasquatch exists and then

1925
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,520
there are some who have even argued that

1926
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:15,840
with a single type specimen the most

1927
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:17,440
skeptical scientists would say well this

1928
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:19,600
first one was just a genetic freak we

1929
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,800
would need

1930
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:22,320
more than one to prove that there's a

1931
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:24,400
breeding population and that this is a

1932
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,280
species right right right right so it

1933
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:29,280
gets very convoluted but you know coming

1934
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:30,320
back to

1935
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:31,360
the

1936
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:46,639
uh

1937
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,520
aoi lucia airborne office never mind

1938
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,040
let's just stop you know we can never

1939
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:53,040
remember the name but that new dod

1940
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,320
component that's looking into these

1941
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,440
things

1942
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,360
that brings some weight to the dialogue

1943
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:59,280
on account of the fact

1944
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,719
that the government

1945
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:03,360
uh is taking it you know the phenomenon

1946
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:05,040
seriously and that presumably based on

1947
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:07,840
their their sensory data uh the

1948
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:10,560
testimony of personnel and that's key

1949
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,159
and then also the national security

1950
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:13,679
implications of the apparent president

1951
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,679
of an anomalous phenomena that cannot be

1952
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:17,840
accounted for with conventional known

1953
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,840
technologies that seems to lend some

1954
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:21,440
weight to this argument so coming over

1955
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:24,000
to the personnel angle here for a moment

1956
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:26,560
if we have trained national park service

1957
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:29,280
personnel who are not sasquatch

1958
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:30,800
believers who never would have believed

1959
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,120
in this kind of thing but some of them

1960
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,199
albeit cautiously are coming forward and

1961
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:36,560
saying look you know

1962
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:39,679
we have seen these uh and and we believe

1963
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,880
that there's a good possibility that

1964
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:42,800
there actually is an organism out there

1965
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:45,199
something human-like that has remained

1966
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:47,120
undiscovered

1967
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,040
the question i would put forward is does

1968
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:51,280
that not necessarily

1969
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,920
have any more weights to it than again

1970
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:55,760
the claims of the crazies and again i

1971
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:57,360
don't call witnesses crazies but this

1972
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:58,719
has been the argument of skeptics for

1973
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,320
years well everybody claims that they

1974
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:01,600
see these things but we know that they

1975
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,719
couldn't exist because there isn't

1976
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,320
enough food there's no way that they

1977
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,560
would remain undiscovered again what

1978
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,159
happens when we have park service you

1979
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:10,480
know department of the interior staff

1980
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,080
saying we saw these things too this is

1981
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:14,320
exactly what action jackson aka bob

1982
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,639
jackson the retired park ranger who

1983
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,480
patrolled the thoroughfare out there in

1984
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,480
yellowstone park for many many years

1985
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:22,639
decades in fact this is exactly what he

1986
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:24,800
claimed happened he was leading a

1987
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:27,600
um a horseback tour out of a portion of

1988
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,880
the thoroughfare

1989
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:30,159
and he said that his horse began to

1990
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:31,360
react

1991
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,800
and he was certain there must have been

1992
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,320
a grizzly bear nearby because you know

1993
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,400
horses are very wary animals their

1994
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,080
eyesight's very good and they can detect

1995
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:40,239
a grizzly bear this is how they have

1996
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:43,040
survived you know for for you know the

1997
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,800
thousands and thousands and hundreds of

1998
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,760
thousands of years throughout

1999
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,040
evolutionary history i mean they have

2000
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:48,480
evolved to be aware

2001
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:49,840
of what's happening around them and his

2002
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:53,040
dog or a horse began to react to what he

2003
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:54,480
perceived was a grizzly bear and he

2004
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:56,000
looks down into this meadow down the

2005
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:57,600
hill from where they were riding their

2006
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:58,639
horses

2007
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,400
and he says that out of one end of this

2008
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:03,600
little thicket a deer shoots out and

2009
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,480
goes

2010
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:05,920
and he says well i expected to see the

2011
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:08,880
grizzly come running out any moment

2012
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:10,639
and to his surprise out of the other

2013
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,120
side of the thicket and down

2014
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,120
in a diagonal direction toward the next

2015
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:17,920
nearest grouping of thickets and brush

2016
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,840
he said walked on

2017
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,520
kind of more like it ran but it didn't

2018
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,760
run like a human but it was on two legs

2019
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:25,199
he said a large

2020
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,320
dark colored hairy biped

2021
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,159
of some kind and the way that it moved

2022
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,520
differently from a human is how you know

2023
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:33,440
if you watch a person jimmy if you or i

2024
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,679
go jogging down the road you know we

2025
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:37,840
kind of carry our arms up here you know

2026
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,199
he says this thing its arms swung

2027
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,520
and stayed straight

2028
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:44,960
and and he said it was very it would be

2029
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,800
a very awkward style of locomotion for a

2030
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:48,320
human but he said that this thing ran

2031
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,600
diagonally

2032
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:51,040
straight down to the next brush and

2033
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,480
initially he's thinking

2034
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:54,239
did i just see what i think i just saw

2035
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:55,040
and i keep in mind there are other

2036
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:57,040
people on horseback behind him and then

2037
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,639
he says it darts out of the brush again

2038
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,320
makes another diagonal

2039
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:02,639
jump down to the next position of cover

2040
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,239
and then he realizes

2041
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:06,159
this is certainly not a grizzly bear he

2042
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,679
says i watched grizzlies a grizzly would

2043
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,440
have gone off in one direction he would

2044
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,760
have run on all fours he would have just

2045
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,679
made a straight line to try and get away

2046
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,280
as fast as he could

2047
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:17,199
this creature on the other hand not only

2048
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,880
moving bipedally and moving unlike a

2049
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:20,480
human but he says it moves from position

2050
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:21,840
of cover to cover he says it was

2051
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,920
intelligent and was aware of the fact

2052
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:25,600
that it was being watched and was moving

2053
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,080
to positions of concealment

2054
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:30,400
so after this happened he was convinced

2055
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,920
okay there's something in our national

2056
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:33,920
parks that ohio has had been completely

2057
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:35,120
unaware of

2058
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:36,960
uh and in that region again for those

2059
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:38,239
who aren't familiar with what the

2060
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:41,440
thoroughfare is this is essentially the

2061
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:44,480
the area furthest from any road

2062
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,120
in the contiguous uh 48

2063
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,520
and and yellowstone being one of the

2064
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:51,120
larger parks there are larger parks in

2065
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:54,880
the united states but it being uh

2066
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:56,320
it's large and it's remote and that's

2067
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:57,760
the more important thing

2068
01:26:01,430 --> 01:26:00,000
um jackson what he did was he patrolled

2069
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,440
the thoroughfare on horseback because

2070
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,960
there are no roads in those portions of

2071
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:04,320
it he was looking for people who were

2072
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:05,440
poaching

2073
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,840
illegal campers things like this but on

2074
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,360
at least a couple of occasions he also

2075
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,360
heard a strange long moaning

2076
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,120
vocalization that he couldn't identify

2077
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:15,440
either uh now i haven't interviewed

2078
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:17,600
jackson myself he has spoken about this

2079
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,000
in interviews and uh some of them also

2080
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,320
appearing in print online but i have

2081
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:24,239
spoken to two other park rangers in

2082
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,000
correspondence and one by telephone who

2083
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:28,000
didn't want his name released who've

2084
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:29,920
also had experiences and looked into

2085
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:32,320
these cases in yellowstone park which

2086
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:33,520
led me to reach out to their public

2087
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,400
affairs office and ask them okay i know

2088
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,560
this sounds like a crazy proposition but

2089
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,400
if your park rangers claimed that they

2090
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:42,159
had had encounters with something that

2091
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,440
you guys couldn't identify what would

2092
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,120
the protocol be

2093
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,440
how would the national park service

2094
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:49,280
respond to this and here's what they say

2095
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:50,960
they say because we don't believe

2096
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,719
bigfoot exists we're not going to answer

2097
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,239
that question because we don't have any

2098
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:55,679
plan we don't expect to ever have to

2099
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:57,920
have one

2100
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:00,800
so you know that's where we end up

2101
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:02,719
how do you how do you move this dialogue

2102
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:03,920
forward when there seemed to be very

2103
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:06,400
credible professionals who in their line

2104
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:07,440
of work

2105
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:09,199
as united states government employees

2106
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,560
claimed that they saw something that

2107
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,080
shouldn't exist

2108
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,400
and the authorities in the relevant park

2109
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,560
service or other agencies they say we

2110
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:18,480
don't have a plan we don't we're not

2111
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:19,760
even going to talk to that effect

2112
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:21,760
because we don't believe

2113
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:24,239
that this thing exists i mean it's

2114
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:27,600
that's not the truth that's not the name

2115
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:29,440
i'm going to go right now this is my

2116
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:31,280
reaction to that

2117
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:33,199
arc rangers

2118
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,960
are just as trained as fbi agents

2119
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:39,199
right they are no

2120
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:41,440
joke professionals

2121
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:44,960
period and there is no way that a park

2122
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:47,920
ranger goes through all of that training

2123
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,040
to become a park ranger you are a pro

2124
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:53,920
professional period right there's no way

2125
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,239
that sasquatch and bigfoot are not

2126
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:58,800
discussed in that training and i don't

2127
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,110
number one it's going to attract the

2128
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:07,360
people they don't want in the park and

2129
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,199
it's going to send people away from the

2130
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:11,520
park that they want to bring to the park

2131
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:13,199
because i'm going to tell you

2132
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:16,000
park rangers game and fish commission

2133
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:17,840
those guys have

2134
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:20,400
massive jurisdictions

2135
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,840
some most cases they have more

2136
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,360
jurisdiction than like sheriffs and

2137
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,480
police and and county constables and

2138
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,560
even state police yeah and they're

2139
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:30,239
dealing with they're highly trained

2140
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:33,520
people black bears grizzly bears buffalo

2141
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:34,800
bison

2142
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:35,600
uh

2143
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,120
rattlesnakes whatever right

2144
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,120
every aspect of what you are going to

2145
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:42,800
encounter in the wild

2146
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:45,520
is is part of their training and i i'm

2147
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:47,840
telling you i guarantee bigfoot is part

2148
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,480
of that training it would have to be

2149
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:52,800
those guys and gals are not caught by

2150
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:55,840
surprise they are true professionals of

2151
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:57,920
which i have the greatest respect for

2152
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:00,960
but to say yeah yeah to say that

2153
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:03,040
no no we don't believe in bigfoot so we

2154
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,679
don't you know we don't have any product

2155
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:07,679
just stop with that let's go look into

2156
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:10,880
missing 4-1-1 david pilates has he has

2157
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:12,400
laid out

2158
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:14,000
some

2159
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:15,520
really

2160
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:19,120
beyond unreal cases that those very same

2161
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:21,280
authorities have to deal with

2162
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:23,520
on a regular basis which has been very

2163
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,280
controversial for the park services i

2164
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:26,639
understand it you know for instance you

2165
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:27,920
know of course you know following foia

2166
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,000
requests related to sasquatch and in

2167
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:32,000
many instances i don't even use the ass

2168
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,960
word

2169
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:34,400
when i file these four-year requests

2170
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:36,080
i've tried to

2171
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:37,040
uh

2172
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,560
i i've tried to word it as

2173
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,400
how should i say this as responsibly as

2174
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:46,320
possible and as credibly as possible in

2175
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:48,719
the in an effort to try and for instance

2176
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,440
okay why does the military call ufos

2177
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:53,040
that have been called ufos for more than

2178
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,960
half a century uap all of a sudden oh

2179
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,880
well they're all these stigmas

2180
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:58,719
so in some of the foia's i've filed i've

2181
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:01,040
said you know i'm looking for any

2182
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:02,639
material evidence

2183
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:04,880
indicative of a possible unrecognized

2184
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:08,080
animal possibly a large biped

2185
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:10,239
evidence including but not limited to

2186
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,800
footprints hair samples you know

2187
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:14,320
recordings of vocalizations and of

2188
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:15,840
course if you send that

2189
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,440
they'll get back to you and they'll say

2190
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:19,440
we need you to be more specific and i'm

2191
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:21,280
like sitting here going you know what

2192
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:23,120
i'm talking about i know you know what

2193
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,920
i'm talking about but they play the game

2194
01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:27,520
and um

2195
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:31,120
i have to jump in micah and say

2196
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,000
uh

2197
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:34,719
because you are who you are

2198
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:36,320
you have to stay over for another

2199
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:38,719
segment i wasn't planning on this

2200
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:40,400
but we are in the middle of this

2201
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:42,159
conversation and if i just cut this off

2202
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:43,760
thank you mike we'll see you uh this

2203
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:46,480
weekend for x-con then i gotta deal with

2204
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,120
the email and the text the truth is the

2205
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,000
truth is micah i'm all these guys so you

2206
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:54,080
got to stay

2207
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:55,920
gotta keep going you gotta carry the

2208
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:57,840
weight let's take our let's take our

2209
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:59,600
break right here uh

2210
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:00,719
right now

2211
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:03,840
in it with uh race hobbes and micah

2212
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:05,120
hanks and

2213
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:06,560
we're going to keep this going that's

2214
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:07,920
all we can do

2215
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:09,520
and uh we'll be right back after this

2216
01:31:16,110 --> 01:31:11,120
short break i'm here to be church this

2217
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:28,149
[Music]

2218
01:31:33,500 --> 01:31:31,360
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2219
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:33,510
you're listening to fade to black

2220
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,159
[Applause]

2221
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:38,239
you're listening to jimmy church and

2222
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:39,760
fade to black

2223
01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:51,110
[Applause]

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radio

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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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and this year june 18th 2022

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the disclosure fest foundation presents

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the mass meditation initiative it's

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saturday june 18th from 10 a.m to 10 p.m

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one day only at the los angeles state

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historic park in downtown los angeles

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california right next to chinatown i'm

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hosting the event again this year with

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music performances by trevor hall the

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many more on four separate stages

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in downtown los angeles with vendors and

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tents and presentations and workshops

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with billy carson adam apollo lori

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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welcome back painted black i'm here to

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be church during the break i'm watching

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race play air drums

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cracked me up and uh over the weekend

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you know i shot this guitar video

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and i was looking at uh doing some test

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shots with lighting and and stuff and i

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had somebody over here uh helping me

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with the cameras and uh

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i started looking i was like man

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i need to work out

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so

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i just i can't present myself like that

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so um i jumped on uh you know my

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magnetic bike and

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and i did a bunch of sit-ups and i was

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like man this is nothing i can work out

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every day and uh cranked out probably 50

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100 sit-ups and i was no last night

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i was like oh my god i can't walk

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i can't stand up straight and during the

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break here in the studio um i went over

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uh to uh

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i i i can't stand up my stomach

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is so sore

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um i'm i'm i i think i'm done i think

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though i think the whole workout thing

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lasted one weekend

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i was talking to

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micah race earlier today goes jimmy

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it'll be done you know uh by tonight

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you know you'll be fine no i'm not

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bad

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you know it's so funny you work out like

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that and you look in the mirror and

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you're like yeah

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i look bad don't you don't you look the

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same as you did yesterday but that's the

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thing it's what it does for your

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mentality i mean you know

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for me

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um you know i i always exercise and you

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are skinny good-looking and young

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save anything that you're about to say

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to race and i right now has no

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always will

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micah is a player

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so um

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oh

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micah hanks so anyway let's get back to

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this discussion and it i think it's a

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very serious one and micah oh by the way

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uh i sent both of you guys a text so my

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old man body right i can't stand up

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straight but i came back in got my

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coffee came back in and i looked at the

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studio

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and i went oh man and i snapped a pic

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and i sent it to both of you guys

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and uh

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is is that gorgeous or what wait that is

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gorgeous

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you got two of them

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i i i i had to go back and get a second

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one yes i did don't i did i haven't

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announced that yet and so i'm going to

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do a couple of videos but yeah i gotta

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mike already did during the break but um

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but here's the deal take a close look at

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that pick

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my old man body can't stand up straight

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and that's why that's why i told the

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story about like

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i can't even stand i can't even you got

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to stay with it jimmy you gotta you

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gotta keep it man man working it out

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and that's what i love about the two of

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you guys though because during the break

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jimmy's texting me pictures of guitars

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and and flying saucer pictures and stuff

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and then meanwhile race hobbs is calling

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me

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just being on the air together isn't

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enough he's got to call me on the phone

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i miss you i i miss micah so much man

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he's one of the funnest guys out there

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and look you were talking earlier before

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we get started

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man

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there were times years and years and

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years ago where micah and i used to be

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on skype

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for all night

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oh yeah and micah is such an entertainer

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he's such a talent he is so good at this

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he makes me laugh

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yeah um he means it too though see

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that's the problem with micah he knows

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he can make you laugh and keep the

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attention he's been a hambone his whole

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life i bet you his family is so tired of

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this micah the ham bone and it ain't

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just that man

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you can watch him lecture for hours on

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these topics that we love

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and then you can watch him play the

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guitar and play play his nitro grass and

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he can sing

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and he can do cover songs like

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he was the one who wrote them

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and

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kid

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will never be a one-man band he will

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never be a one-trick pony no he's not

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he's not hey micah so we we've got a

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group of people at the house we've got

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20 people we're cooking out we're doing

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the thing over here at castle day church

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and you're there and and i come out

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with uh an acoustic guitar right i come

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out with the acoustic telly

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and i hand it to you i hand it again

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nice look at that man an acoustic

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telecaster that is sweet is um so i hand

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you this guitar

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what's the song that you pull out of

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your pocket for everybody there there's

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going to be one song that you know

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you're going to kill it what is it

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well it's either going to be

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working man blues merle haggard or

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master of puppets by metallica

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somewhere in between maybe but usually

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it's one of those two yeah i was

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thinking something like little pink

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houses

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you know what you know i could see i

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could see

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micah doing

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crackling rosie neil diamond stairway

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would be like something like sultans of

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swing by dire straits you know because

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interestingly

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first of all uh yeah the hardest thing

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to play on guitar and to sing at the

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same time but for micah

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that's nothing i just said for micah

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yes indeed i've never heard that joke

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before yeah you know the thing about

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nafler though is nafler

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01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,920
you know being a finger player and doing

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this sort of a chet atkins hybrid kind

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01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,440
of thing where he played there's that

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look at the end but a little little

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little that and he's doing it all like

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with

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his finger and his thumb and it's

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remarkable to watch him play but there's

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this video online

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of dire straits back in the 80s i mean

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at their prime and he gets up there and

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he's doing these breaks and everything

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01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:43,119
he looks over at one of his buddies and

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01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,440
while he's playing he's just like

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and he gives him this you know well you

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01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,280
know what kind of a grin it was i'm not

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going to say here on on the radio you

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can't know what kind of grin it was but

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i can't

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and i had a i had no buddy i had no

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buddy back in radio my my supervisor who

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was also a guitarist john anderson and

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he had this expression he'd say if i

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could catch you i'd hit you and that's

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what knofler makes you want to do when

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you see him he's so good and he's just

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standing there just grinning while he's

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playing looking at his buddy and oh if i

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could get you i'd i'd hit you but you

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know so damn good but not fleur when

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knopfler

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was at his peak

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when everything was clicking

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he was probably the best guitar player

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on the planet

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01:43:30,310 --> 01:43:27,520
you know he had about a year run right

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01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:30,320
there where i mean it all came together

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01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:33,280
for him you know and if you go back to

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01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:35,920
uh you know the first album uh you know

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with sultan's of swing of course second

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01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:41,360
album uh communique uh which was

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01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:43,760
incredible and but that wasn't his best

2491
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,639
stuff

2492
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,960
you know a couple of years later when

2493
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:48,639
you know

2494
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:49,440
yeah

2495
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:54,800
and it all came together

2496
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,760
for that for that brief moment where

2497
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,159
every the stars in the moon and and

2498
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:02,880
everything hit for him and when that

2499
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:05,760
when when that mark he was probably the

2500
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,679
best man he was probably the best on two

2501
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:09,600
legs i mean how many guys can you listen

2502
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:11,520
to who can play a

2503
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:12,560
clean

2504
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,719
stratocaster

2505
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:17,199
in a fender twin and get that sultan's a

2506
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,040
swing type tone on the one hand and then

2507
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:20,880
he can switch over and have a really

2508
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:23,679
distorted nasty paul

2509
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:25,679
playing money for nothing but i mean

2510
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:27,920
here's the other question whoever made a

2511
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,400
les paul sound like that

2512
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,480
when you and again whether technically

2513
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:34,400
you would say he's the greatest ever the

2514
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:36,239
thing is he was arguably the most

2515
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,840
distinct sounding guitarist when you

2516
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:39,600
hear mark noffler whether he's playing a

2517
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:42,080
distorted les paul or a clean strat or a

2518
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:44,400
telly you know that it is mark knopfler

2519
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,000
there's no question and that's the thing

2520
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,000
that really hooks in in my opinion

2521
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:50,000
because you know who else hid it for me

2522
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:54,320
somebody that didn't quite get his due

2523
01:45:04,470 --> 01:44:57,040
david lindley

2524
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:04,480
and you know as a slide finger player

2525
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:07,280
with crazy distorted tones right crazy

2526
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:09,920
sounds uh played with jackson brown

2527
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:11,199
forever and

2528
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:14,400
and uh all those classic uh guitar solos

2529
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,760
on those james brown that was david

2530
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:17,520
lindley and

2531
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:21,040
very distinctive singular tone when

2532
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:22,800
everybody else is trying to be you know

2533
01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:24,560
richie blackmore they're you know ted

2534
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:27,520
nugent or santana jimmy page

2535
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:28,719
um

2536
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:31,760
eddie van halen whatever david lindley

2537
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:34,159
was doing his own thing just like uh

2538
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:36,960
mark knopfler see we can do guitar talk

2539
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:39,840
all night we got to get back to uh to

2540
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:41,600
bigfoot and

2541
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:44,480
i want to get back to race's point

2542
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:45,760
you can

2543
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:48,960
watch micah do a presentation and and

2544
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:50,880
just be dialed in

2545
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:53,360
and michael's presentation of micah

2546
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:56,239
michael micah's presentations on ufos

2547
01:46:02,229 --> 01:45:59,280
have evolved over the years

2548
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:02,239
let's talk about bigfoot it has bigfoot

2549
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:04,639
evolved in the same way

2550
01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:07,360
as as ufos and aliens and e.t and

2551
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:13,430
well that's kind of a difficult question

2552
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:14,880
you know jimmy you you've always said

2553
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:17,840
that my ufo lectures have have evolved

2554
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,080
over the years and i think

2555
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:22,159
you know as you've and again we'll get

2556
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,920
back to sasquatch because i you know

2557
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,119
understand the parallel here but i mean

2558
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,880
i should say that

2559
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:28,560
rather than becoming you know coming

2560
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:31,440
from more skeptical to more you know an

2561
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:33,520
advocate for the study of uap i've

2562
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:35,280
always seen it as

2563
01:46:38,830 --> 01:46:36,560
i've been

2564
01:46:41,669 --> 01:46:38,840
questioning of

2565
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:41,679
paradigms and so the paradigm the you

2566
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,280
know one of the prevailing paradigms

2567
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:45,840
with regard to ufos to use and i prefer

2568
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:47,280
the ufo

2569
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:48,480
expression i mean i'll use

2570
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:50,960
preferentially at times uap when it's

2571
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:58,229
yeah and you know and alejandra when i

2572
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,760
were talking about this jason mcclellan

2573
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:01,199
said it best a few weeks back when he

2574
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:02,400
and i were talking i asked him which are

2575
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:04,239
you and he says well look i'm a ufo guy

2576
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,800
to the end because if you say uap what

2577
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:08,400
do you have to say after that you know

2578
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,159
ufos so it's like

2579
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:12,159
let's just cut out the middle man he's

2580
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,199
not wrong

2581
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:15,600
yeah exactly so but i but i actually to

2582
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:17,840
to try and you know to make an attempt

2583
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:19,920
at an eloquent argument for why i

2584
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:22,639
maintain ufos it is simply this for the

2585
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:24,800
better part of the last century and more

2586
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:27,199
we've continued to call them ufos

2587
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,199
but and and so in acknowledgment of the

2588
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,920
historical phraseology that's been used

2589
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,840
in most of american history

2590
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,760
and being a researcher who's you know

2591
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,760
work probably emphasizes the historical

2592
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:39,440
component on ufo studies which is

2593
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,679
important in order to frame the modern

2594
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:43,520
context in which they're being studied i

2595
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:45,280
continue to use ufos everybody knows

2596
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:46,800
what i'm talking about and to hell with

2597
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:49,520
your stigmas i'm sorry they're ufos they

2598
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:51,520
can also be uaps though i don't care now

2599
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:53,679
all that said i've always challenged

2600
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:56,639
paradigms and and and people's

2601
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,119
notions of well this is what this is and

2602
01:48:02,229 --> 01:48:01,119
for years i i had a publisher write to

2603
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:02,239
me once

2604
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:04,080
because i was you know debating some

2605
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:06,000
nitpicks about you know ufos and

2606
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:07,280
phraseology and he says well at the end

2607
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:08,560
of the day none of that matters micah

2608
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:10,239
because those other things aren't

2609
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,840
spaceships

2610
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:13,280
and that stuck with me because i always

2611
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:14,560
wondered well

2612
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,320
but how do we know that the ufos that

2613
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,560
we're looking at the so-called valid you

2614
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:20,960
know anomalous aerospace phenomena are

2615
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:24,000
spaceships necessarily what proof do we

2616
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:25,199
have of that

2617
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:26,960
and yet of course that idea has been a

2618
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:29,679
prevailing dominant theory in ufology

2619
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:32,080
for for decades and so one of the

2620
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,679
challenges that early on when i got

2621
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:35,119
interested in this topic and really

2622
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:37,119
trying to speak about it and to the

2623
01:48:40,629 --> 01:48:38,320
points of

2624
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:40,639
epistemologically in a philosophical

2625
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:42,080
sense you know how do we really know

2626
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:43,600
what we know

2627
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:45,040
that was one of the big challenges was

2628
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:46,480
how do we address the reality of a

2629
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,480
phenomenon but also address the fact

2630
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:50,719
that we've got a lot of biases

2631
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:53,760
a lot of attitudes that are presumptuous

2632
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:56,400
about this phenomenon so the skepticism

2633
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:58,400
that i think you detected early on jimmy

2634
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:59,280
was

2635
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,600
me being skeptical of the

2636
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:02,880
let's lead with the presumption that

2637
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,639
these are extraterrestrial

2638
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,920
whereas

2639
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,360
i've always been an advocate that there

2640
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:10,320
is a valid phenomenon in that that

2641
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,080
represents the sum total of the uap

2642
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:14,639
issue now in more recent years of course

2643
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:16,480
many researchers but i too

2644
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:18,159
have not only looked at trying to frame

2645
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:19,760
the historical debate in support of the

2646
01:49:23,350 --> 01:49:21,840
modern uap dialogue but also in

2647
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:23,360
recognition of

2648
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:26,719
the material uh that has been coming out

2649
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,639
with regard to uh

2650
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:31,040
detection through sensory systems

2651
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:33,040
in use by the government and again this

2652
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:34,159
comes back to the and this is the

2653
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:35,679
commonality between the two subjects

2654
01:49:39,589 --> 01:49:37,760
sasquatch and the uap issue the

2655
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:39,599
testimony because i don't think we've

2656
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:41,199
got sensory systems that are detecting

2657
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:43,440
sasquatches but we certainly do have uh

2658
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:44,800
united states federal government

2659
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:46,239
employees who claim to have actually

2660
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:49,040
encountered both respective phenomena

2661
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:51,280
when it comes to sasquatch

2662
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:53,599
if there's been an evolution it has been

2663
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,199
me going from

2664
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:57,760
how do we make the argument

2665
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,239
for instance to a biologist or a

2666
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:02,159
zoologist that this is something worthy

2667
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:03,440
of being studied

2668
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:05,440
and now you know in many ways i'm

2669
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,560
looking at this in that government

2670
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:08,480
component too and saying well

2671
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:11,679
if we have people who by virtue of their

2672
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,520
qualifications in their training and by

2673
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:15,440
virtue of their professions

2674
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:17,760
uh by virtue of

2675
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:19,440
you know whatever security interests

2676
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:21,199
they're protecting again a national park

2677
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:23,360
ranger is protecting and ensuring the

2678
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:26,320
security and the safety of the areas

2679
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,560
where we citizens are able to go and

2680
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:30,800
enjoy these protected wilderness areas

2681
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,440
so they of course as you know in in many

2682
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:35,040
capacities there are also many different

2683
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,320
people in different branches of law

2684
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:38,320
enforcement civilian police officers

2685
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:40,320
federal law enforcement agencies etc who

2686
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:41,440
have also claimed to have had these

2687
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:43,119
encounters but they too

2688
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:45,440
especially in fact are you know those

2689
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:48,560
who uphold and maintain safety in public

2690
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:50,560
places so we may all enjoy

2691
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,560
and feel safe while enjoying these

2692
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:54,719
places if these people are claiming that

2693
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:56,960
they are having encounters with things

2694
01:51:00,390 --> 01:50:58,880
an animal for lack of a better term but

2695
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,400
one that is more like a human than any

2696
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:02,400
other known animal

2697
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:04,960
does their testimony not hold a certain

2698
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:06,639
degree of weight just like we would say

2699
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:09,440
an f a 18 super hornet pilot

2700
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,800
who claims they've encountered an

2701
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:13,199
anomalous aerial phenomena also seems to

2702
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:15,199
hold weight and i think that that's why

2703
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:17,440
the government side of the uap issue has

2704
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:19,360
carried the dialogue so much especially

2705
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:22,480
since 2017 because a lot of people again

2706
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:24,000
i'm gonna paraphrase the late stephen

2707
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,440
hawking jimmy you and i have talked

2708
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:27,360
about this we love physics we both

2709
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:29,040
respect hawking

2710
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:31,440
but i've to my core disagreed with that

2711
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:32,880
statement that he would issue in his

2712
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:34,480
speeches where he you know through the

2713
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:36,719
through the you know the voice uh

2714
01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:38,880
uh device speaking you know on his

2715
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:40,880
behalf he would say

2716
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,440
we discount in the search for alien life

2717
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,520
the claims of ufo witnesses but why

2718
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:47,199
because why if aliens were visiting

2719
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:48,480
earth

2720
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,840
would they only show themselves to

2721
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:52,159
cranks and weirdos two problems

2722
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:53,520
hawking was leading with the same

2723
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,199
presumption that many of the ufo

2724
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:57,440
cultists to borrow john keele's words

2725
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:59,840
used but this is obviously if we're

2726
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,360
talking about ufos we're talking about

2727
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:03,840
extraterrestrial visitors even hawking

2728
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,920
worked on that premise

2729
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:07,920
and of course then he also stigmatized

2730
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:09,520
it and said that only crazy people see

2731
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:11,840
these things are our pilots our navy

2732
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:14,560
pilots are they crazy you know are the

2733
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:16,000
military service men and women who have

2734
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,040
said that they've encountered these

2735
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,199
things we've tracked them on radar uh

2736
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:21,360
who have locked onto these with their

2737
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:23,920
atlear targeting pods you know after the

2738
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:27,360
navy upgraded to the raytheon uh um

2739
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:29,040
phased array radar systems and they

2740
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:30,400
begin to detect

2741
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,080
things in our airspace

2742
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:34,080
you know operators like kevin day and

2743
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:35,760
and um

2744
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:38,080
oh gosh um

2745
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:40,159
who's who are the guy um

2746
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:42,159
from the princeton aboard the princeton

2747
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:49,030
when gary and kevin are are locking

2748
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:50,719
these things restarting the system

2749
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:52,000
thinking they're having a malfunction

2750
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:53,920
and they restart it and then bam they

2751
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:55,520
turn the system back on get it online

2752
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:57,119
and they're still detecting these things

2753
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:58,880
are they crazy are they cranks and

2754
01:53:01,830 --> 01:53:00,080
weirdos

2755
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,840
that's just the point

2756
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,679
the american people hear the accounts of

2757
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,520
people like voorhees and kevin day and

2758
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:07,840
commander dave fravor and alex dietrich

2759
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:09,440
and they say wow

2760
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,199
our best and brightest

2761
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,360
in the line of duty have had encounters

2762
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:15,760
now we take this seriously my message is

2763
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:17,360
ladies and gents there have been people

2764
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:18,639
in that line of duty who have had the

2765
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,239
same experience in our national parks

2766
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:22,239
and other wilderness areas who have said

2767
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:24,960
they've seen a bipedal hairy hominoid

2768
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:26,480
that they can't identify

2769
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:27,920
and which has been relegated to the

2770
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:30,560
realm of myth and legend should we not

2771
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:32,560
give them the same benefit of the doubt

2772
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:34,239
when they say they've seen these things

2773
01:53:37,109 --> 01:53:36,000
absolutely

2774
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:37,119
you have to

2775
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:41,040
evidence now listen let me be clear i

2776
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:42,560
know that's not physical evidence that's

2777
01:53:47,109 --> 01:53:44,800
not enough to convince a physicist or a

2778
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:47,119
biologist or a chemist but in a court of

2779
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:48,639
law and this argument's always made but

2780
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:50,080
i think it's irrelevant and that's why

2781
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:52,080
they make the argument right race that's

2782
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,760
what's most important if

2783
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:55,760
if in a court of law we can sentence a

2784
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,280
person based on testimony right i mean i

2785
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:02,080
think we should at least consider

2786
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:03,679
and again it's not just you know park

2787
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,800
service rangers you know there are

2788
01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:06,960
members of the military who also there

2789
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:08,639
was a gentleman i spoke with who was

2790
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:10,080
actually uh participating in a

2791
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:12,080
controlled demolition

2792
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:13,760
i believe in washington state in a

2793
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,080
military testing range and after a

2794
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,239
detonation that they had

2795
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:20,719
actually undertaken earlier in the

2796
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:22,000
afternoon they're coming back by the

2797
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:23,920
area where the explosion had occurred

2798
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:25,280
and he said i could not believe what i

2799
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:26,320
was seeing but he said that there were

2800
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:29,360
these three large hair covered humanoid

2801
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:31,520
shapes that were out there which his

2802
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,760
perception had been that these had been

2803
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:35,360
attracted

2804
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:37,440
to the sound to the to the noise and

2805
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:38,960
when the explosion happens they're like

2806
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:40,159
what you know what's going on and so

2807
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:42,320
many like you know 15 20 minutes later

2808
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,360
when they're coming back by the

2809
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,360
demolition site he sees these things out

2810
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:47,520
there and later his commanding officer

2811
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:49,520
comes up to him and says

2812
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:50,960
did you see anything out there and at

2813
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:52,239
first he didn't want to even talk about

2814
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:53,520
it and then his commanding officer said

2815
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:56,000
because i sure did and later they both

2816
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:57,360
came forward and actually spoke on the

2817
01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:58,880
record about the fact that they said

2818
01:55:02,950 --> 01:55:00,400
yeah you know for lack of any better

2819
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,960
descriptor we think we saw sasquatch out

2820
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:04,800
there that day

2821
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:07,280
so are you out of the closet

2822
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:08,080
then

2823
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:10,639
on on bigfoot micah

2824
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,880
well you know as much or as little as i

2825
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:14,400
am on the ufo topic again here's the

2826
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:16,000
bottom line jimmy

2827
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:18,159
i answered can you answer directly and

2828
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:20,960
not be a politician

2829
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:21,760
look

2830
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:23,599
the weight of the evidence compels me to

2831
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:25,199
believe that there's a phenomenon worthy

2832
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:28,000
of of study now i don't leap to

2833
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:30,960
conclusions about what i think it is i.e

2834
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:33,920
that that that is that is

2835
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:36,719
quintessential sound bite yeah if you

2836
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:37,520
just

2837
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:40,880
but nail that to micah hanks right and

2838
01:55:45,589 --> 01:55:43,520
ride with it jimmy because

2839
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:45,599
you know one of we were just talking you

2840
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:47,199
know we're coming up on you know the

2841
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:48,639
anniversary of the death of stanton

2842
01:55:53,830 --> 01:55:51,199
friedman he was another guy who nailed

2843
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:53,840
those sound bites down and he made him

2844
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:54,639
work

2845
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:56,320
you know what his was too

2846
01:56:00,629 --> 01:55:58,320
don't bother me with the facts my mind

2847
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:00,639
is already

2848
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:02,800
or do your investigation

2849
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:04,719
uh don't do your investigation by

2850
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:08,719
proclamation ah yeah you know

2851
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:12,719
the three of the four of us uh micah

2852
01:56:17,109 --> 01:56:15,119
race myself and stan we did a conference

2853
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:17,119
uh like 10 years ago together

2854
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:20,000
and um i was sitting

2855
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:23,360
uh at his table with him now check this

2856
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:25,280
out coming up on the anniversary right

2857
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:28,480
and i made a video today uh for uh ryan

2858
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:32,639
sprague uh uh about you know around

2859
01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:34,159
celebrating stan

2860
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:36,800
anyway so i sat at that table you guys

2861
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:38,880
know what i'm talking about i sat there

2862
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:40,320
at his table

2863
01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:43,199
and went through project blue book with

2864
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:45,199
him for like two hours special report

2865
01:56:48,790 --> 01:56:47,599
14. yeah yeah man how cool you know and

2866
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:48,800
he had eaten

2867
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:50,480
he's got you know he's autographing him

2868
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:52,880
and he signed one form but i was able to

2869
01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:54,000
sit

2870
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:55,760
with stanton

2871
01:57:02,870 --> 01:56:59,920
and just go page by page and and and

2872
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:02,880
discuss things with him one-on-one and

2873
01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:06,320
it's one of my most treasured moments

2874
01:57:11,030 --> 01:57:09,280
of of my life it was just great okay

2875
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:11,040
let me correct this it's do your

2876
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:13,840
research by investigation not process by

2877
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:16,560
proclamation yeah but michael you had a

2878
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:19,440
good trip with stanton besides you

2879
01:57:23,189 --> 01:57:20,880
yeah in fact the same weekend that

2880
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:23,199
jimmy's talking about

2881
01:57:27,189 --> 01:57:25,679
uh they you know i fly into lax and i

2882
01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:27,199
got jet lagged because i was up at like

2883
01:57:30,709 --> 01:57:28,960
5 a.m and by the time i arrived there

2884
01:57:31,830 --> 01:57:30,719
it's a beautiful like 9 or 10 o'clock in

2885
01:57:33,750 --> 01:57:31,840
the morning you know because i've just

2886
01:57:35,510 --> 01:57:33,760
jumped over two time zones

2887
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:35,520
and my mission should i choose to accept

2888
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:36,960
it was to find a famous nuclear

2889
01:57:40,149 --> 01:57:38,960
physicist in lax and then jump in the

2890
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:40,159
background

2891
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:41,599
and ride with him up into the mountains

2892
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:42,480
and so

2893
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:45,199
our driver picked uh stan and i up and

2894
01:57:49,750 --> 01:57:47,360
we had a long ride together and a stop

2895
01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:49,760
in riverside to have lunch and god we

2896
01:57:54,149 --> 01:57:52,400
talked about everything and i tell you

2897
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:54,159
we talked about

2898
01:57:58,390 --> 01:57:56,080
mj 12

2899
01:57:59,910 --> 01:57:58,400
we talked about philip j class we talked

2900
01:58:01,830 --> 01:57:59,920
about

2901
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:01,840
alan hendry who had been the employee at

2902
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:04,239
the center for ufo studies right

2903
01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:06,400
we talked about cash landrum we talked i

2904
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:09,040
mean we talked about everything and i'm

2905
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:10,320
going to tell you

2906
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:11,360
stanton

2907
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:12,480
you know

2908
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:14,320
this was maybe what was it jimmy this

2909
01:58:20,550 --> 01:58:16,320
was 2016 so just a few years before he

2910
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:20,560
passed away but yeah 2015 maybe

2911
01:58:24,550 --> 01:58:22,320
i have a picture i'm going to jump in

2912
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:24,560
here before we run out of time yeah sure

2913
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:26,960
grace i have a picture

2914
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:30,639
of micah stanton and i

2915
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:33,520
in my hotel room standing next to the

2916
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:35,520
hot tub

2917
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:37,280
you remember that you remember that bike

2918
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:39,599
and we had i was in the john wayne room

2919
01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:42,080
yeah i had a hot tub in the middle of my

2920
01:58:45,990 --> 01:58:44,080
hotel room that was the that was the

2921
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:46,000
room that john wayne always stayed in

2922
01:58:49,109 --> 01:58:47,840
when he went up to big bear wasn't

2923
01:58:50,550 --> 01:58:49,119
really yeah

2924
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:50,560
was that it was

2925
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:51,840
wayne sweet

2926
01:58:56,070 --> 01:58:53,360
when i looked at that whole conference i

2927
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:56,080
helped organize that whole thing and you

2928
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:57,840
know that's we put you there for that

2929
01:59:03,189 --> 01:58:59,440
reason yeah that was

2930
01:59:04,550 --> 01:59:03,199
and that picture and um i i if i would

2931
01:59:07,109 --> 01:59:04,560
have known we were talking about it i

2932
01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:07,119
would have had it ready uh to post

2933
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:10,400
because it's classic man

2934
01:59:14,550 --> 01:59:12,000
and uh

2935
01:59:17,189 --> 01:59:14,560
didn't we i think you were there michael

2936
01:59:19,189 --> 01:59:17,199
we stayed up to like we closed the bar

2937
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:19,199
that night with stanton friedman

2938
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:21,360
yeah we did well he he went out

2939
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:22,719
eventually but yes you and i

2940
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:25,679
entertaining fader knots stayed until

2941
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:27,679
late and we we entertained not only

2942
01:59:32,149 --> 01:59:29,360
fader knots but we entertained you and i

2943
01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:32,159
a very mighty bar tab i do believe

2944
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:33,280
yes

2945
01:59:35,990 --> 01:59:35,119
that's standard for

2946
01:59:39,430 --> 01:59:36,000
you know what

2947
01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:39,440
is uh stanton said yeah i love picking

2948
01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:41,360
up the tab stanton said that night it

2949
01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:44,800
said stanton uh uh order whatever you

2950
01:59:49,830 --> 01:59:47,040
want and he did right he got like surf

2951
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:49,840
and turf come to the table i said but

2952
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:52,320
you have to drink a martini with me oh

2953
01:59:57,669 --> 01:59:54,639
no no no no yeah he he wasn't really big

2954
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:57,679
on the point he ended up

2955
02:00:02,070 --> 01:59:59,920
toasting and taking a sip off of a

2956
02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:02,080
martini with us that night

2957
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:05,520
and uh people's person is the thing

2958
02:00:09,189 --> 02:00:06,800
and that's the thing i love about him

2959
02:00:10,629 --> 02:00:09,199
you know linda is the same way that you

2960
02:00:13,270 --> 02:00:10,639
know they will stay till the end of the

2961
02:00:17,030 --> 02:00:13,280
conference they will talk to everybody

2962
02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:17,040
and she'll go through some wine

2963
02:00:20,149 --> 02:00:18,480
and but but you know

2964
02:00:21,510 --> 02:00:20,159
the thing is is at that conference linda

2965
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:21,520
was there too and you know linda is

2966
02:00:26,629 --> 02:00:24,480
always at a table until the final hour

2967
02:00:27,990 --> 02:00:26,639
talking to people not like other

2968
02:00:30,709 --> 02:00:28,000
researchers i mean they're researchers

2969
02:00:32,070 --> 02:00:30,719
but mostly conference attendees and

2970
02:00:33,589 --> 02:00:32,080
she's a person for the people and you

2971
02:00:35,430 --> 02:00:33,599
know i always appreciate when i see

2972
02:00:37,430 --> 02:00:35,440
people who are like that you know who

2973
02:00:41,669 --> 02:00:37,440
would much rather just be

2974
02:00:43,350 --> 02:00:41,679
talking to other people um you know

2975
02:00:44,870 --> 02:00:43,360
that that you know there's a difference

2976
02:00:45,990 --> 02:00:44,880
between those kinds of researchers and

2977
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:46,000
then the ones that you can tell that are

2978
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:47,280
just trying to be on television and

2979
02:00:49,990 --> 02:00:48,719
things like that that's true

2980
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:50,000
and i know we're up against a break

2981
02:00:53,030 --> 02:00:51,599
jimmy but i want to circle back around

2982
02:00:56,310 --> 02:00:53,040
because in the very first segment we

2983
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:56,320
talked about the journey right and for

2984
02:01:02,790 --> 02:00:59,520
me it's that fellowship

2985
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:02,800
that that those experiences that uh i

2986
02:01:07,669 --> 02:01:04,560
have had the privilege

2987
02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:07,679
of sharing and and and being with those

2988
02:01:14,149 --> 02:01:10,560
that i've come to to adore

2989
02:01:15,669 --> 02:01:14,159
um that have made all of this worth it

2990
02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:15,679
in the yeah you're right you're right

2991
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:17,760
and it and micah brings up a really good

2992
02:01:22,229 --> 02:01:19,280
point and so do you

2993
02:01:23,589 --> 02:01:22,239
because that little tiny little

2994
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:23,599
get-together

2995
02:01:27,910 --> 02:01:26,320
up in the mountains that year

2996
02:01:29,910 --> 02:01:27,920
it was small

2997
02:01:31,109 --> 02:01:29,920
it was with linda

2998
02:01:32,310 --> 02:01:31,119
chase

2999
02:01:33,430 --> 02:01:32,320
micah

3000
02:01:34,830 --> 02:01:33,440
dolan

3001
02:01:39,109 --> 02:01:34,840
stanton

3002
02:01:40,870 --> 02:01:39,119
myself uh race george nori

3003
02:01:43,430 --> 02:01:40,880
right and you see you think about that

3004
02:01:44,629 --> 02:01:43,440
for a second you know and we were all

3005
02:01:47,830 --> 02:01:44,639
together

3006
02:01:50,229 --> 02:01:47,840
um breaking bread and and and hanging

3007
02:01:52,149 --> 02:01:50,239
out and that friendship that circle

3008
02:01:53,109 --> 02:01:52,159
that's a bond that'll never be broken

3009
02:02:00,149 --> 02:01:53,119
and

3010
02:02:03,830 --> 02:02:00,159
there the couple of dozen

3011
02:02:06,790 --> 02:02:03,840
right that were that were there um oh

3012
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:06,800
um uh whitley strieber walked in in the

3013
02:02:11,270 --> 02:02:09,280
middle of yeah

3014
02:02:12,629 --> 02:02:11,280
that was that was a memory because we're

3015
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:12,639
sitting on stage during the panel

3016
02:02:16,830 --> 02:02:14,320
discussion stanton and i were side by

3017
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:16,840
side and he leans over micah is that

3018
02:02:22,629 --> 02:02:19,760
whitley yeah it was uh you were on stage

3019
02:02:25,030 --> 02:02:22,639
uh george nori i had the mobile

3020
02:02:26,850 --> 02:02:25,040
microphone you remember

3021
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:26,860
i walked up and i went whittling

3022
02:02:31,990 --> 02:02:28,320
[Music]

3023
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:33,510
that was a great weekend i got to jump

3024
02:02:38,790 --> 02:02:36,159
to uh bri hey micah i'll see you this

3025
02:02:40,790 --> 02:02:38,800
weekend uh for x-con thank you so much

3026
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:40,800
for taking the time tonight uh great

3027
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:42,880
conversation hey race you're running the

3028
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:44,960
show i'm letting you know that we just

3029
02:02:49,750 --> 02:02:46,719
blew through the commercial break

3030
02:02:51,270 --> 02:02:49,760
because of uh micah hanks micah micah

3031
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hanks.com

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02:02:55,510 --> 02:02:53,440
uh follow micah on twitter at micah

3033
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:55,520
hanks i only know that because

3034
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:57,920
uh he's got it right there mike make it

3035
02:03:03,270 --> 02:03:00,719
easy for him ladies and gents

3036
02:03:05,109 --> 02:03:03,280
we'll see you this weekend over at xcon

3037
02:03:07,030 --> 02:03:05,119
thank you so much probably you'll see

3038
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,040
too much of me so guys good night and

3039
02:03:12,390 --> 02:03:09,520
good luck thank you micah

3040
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:12,400
micah hanks i am your host jimmy church

3041
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:14,400
i'm here with race hobbes that was micah

3042
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:16,000
hanks we'll be right back after this

3043
02:03:20,709 --> 02:03:17,840
short break

3044
02:03:23,470 --> 02:03:20,719
with the race to the finish line that's

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02:03:25,589 --> 02:03:23,480
right i'll be right back

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

3118
02:07:12,069 --> 02:06:58,720
on the game changer radio network

3119
02:07:13,750 --> 02:07:12,079
[Music]

3120
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:13,760
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3121
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:15,280
jimmy church

3122
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:17,840
on the game changer and on x networks

3123
02:07:21,430 --> 02:07:19,760
race hobbes

3124
02:07:22,709 --> 02:07:21,440
i want to thank micah hanks uh for

3125
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:22,719
coming in tonight he was supposed to

3126
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:26,079
come in for one segment and i i i could

3127
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:28,000
i could just let mike and race run the

3128
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:28,800
show

3129
02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:30,480
which is probably what i should have

3130
02:07:34,629 --> 02:07:31,920
done i should have just taken a break

3131
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:34,639
tonight let those two guys uh two two

3132
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:36,159
professionals

3133
02:07:41,030 --> 02:07:38,159
uh handle things i want to thank micah

3134
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,040
hanks micah hanks.com and follow micah

3135
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:43,040
on twitter at micah hanks uh the

3136
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:45,679
absolute very best and our guest tonight

3137
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:48,159
is race hobbs and uh you know the race

3138
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:50,079
to the finish

3139
02:07:55,189 --> 02:07:52,560
you know with ufos and uaps race i want

3140
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:55,199
to get back to don't think i forgot

3141
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:57,840
uh our discussion uh that we opened up

3142
02:08:02,550 --> 02:08:00,480
the show with which was the sighting

3143
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:02,560
that you had in 1990

3144
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:06,159
and then uh two years later in 1992

3145
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:09,360
you start the fort smith aerial what was

3146
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:11,199
it called the fort smith aerial

3147
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:14,239
phenomenon research group yeah that was

3148
02:08:18,709 --> 02:08:15,440
it was a

3149
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:18,719
very unorganized early on and and it was

3150
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:21,280
just a small group of people that i had

3151
02:08:24,470 --> 02:08:23,040
come to know that

3152
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:24,480
i

3153
02:08:32,790 --> 02:08:30,880
uh

3154
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:32,800
you know oh by the way real quick i

3155
02:08:36,149 --> 02:08:34,239
wanted to tell everybody because i was

3156
02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:36,159
talking about that sighting that started

3157
02:08:41,669 --> 02:08:37,280
it all

3158
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:41,679
it wasn't highway 10 it was highway um

3159
02:08:45,030 --> 02:08:43,119
271.

3160
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:45,040
when you leave out of fort smith heading

3161
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:47,040
south on 271

3162
02:08:52,629 --> 02:08:49,440
you'll come into

3163
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:52,639
a highway that's 112 that comes up and

3164
02:08:56,870 --> 02:08:55,280
meets it and right there where 271 and

3165
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:56,880
112 is

3166
02:09:01,750 --> 02:08:59,520
in piccola oklahoma

3167
02:09:03,109 --> 02:09:01,760
that's exactly where he was when it

3168
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:03,119
happened because i had a bunch of people

3169
02:09:07,189 --> 02:09:05,520
in chat that were uh there were dm and

3170
02:09:08,790 --> 02:09:07,199
me and everything so i just want to make

3171
02:09:11,910 --> 02:09:08,800
that clear where you guys could go look

3172
02:09:14,069 --> 02:09:11,920
on the map and see it and our studio was

3173
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:14,079
on zero street just right across from

3174
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:16,400
the fort smith regional airport so you

3175
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:19,360
can really get a good good shot of you

3176
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:21,679
know the line of sight that i had that

3177
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:23,119
night

3178
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:25,760
so when you you you get your uh group of

3179
02:09:31,189 --> 02:09:28,719
friends together um how many uh were in

3180
02:09:33,030 --> 02:09:31,199
the fort smith

3181
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:33,040
there was three area us at first and

3182
02:09:37,990 --> 02:09:36,000
then we went up to you know eight nine

3183
02:09:40,629 --> 02:09:38,000
ten ten folks

3184
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,639
that used to meet on the regular and you

3185
02:09:45,030 --> 02:09:42,639
know we would have barbecues and sky

3186
02:09:46,390 --> 02:09:45,040
watches and things like that and it was

3187
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,400
a really small

3188
02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:48,480
you know tightening because a lot of

3189
02:09:53,430 --> 02:09:50,159
them a lot of times these folks would

3190
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:53,440
come and go you know because

3191
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:55,360
you know it can get quite monotonous you

3192
02:10:01,030 --> 02:09:59,280
know what i mean like you it's very

3193
02:10:03,109 --> 02:10:01,040
you know very rare

3194
02:10:06,550 --> 02:10:03,119
that you find

3195
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:06,560
active cases to investigate back then

3196
02:10:10,550 --> 02:10:08,560
you know you had to

3197
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:10,560
you had to cast a net

3198
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:11,679
um

3199
02:10:14,950 --> 02:10:13,440
people had to know

3200
02:10:17,270 --> 02:10:14,960
you were there

3201
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:17,280
so that if something came up they could

3202
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:19,360
say hey man get a hold of this guy you

3203
02:10:22,149 --> 02:10:20,159
know

3204
02:10:23,430 --> 02:10:22,159
and and that's how it worked that's how

3205
02:10:24,629 --> 02:10:23,440
we did it

3206
02:10:26,390 --> 02:10:24,639
um

3207
02:10:29,109 --> 02:10:26,400
what did you learn uh from that

3208
02:10:31,270 --> 02:10:29,119
experience early on you know getting a

3209
02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:31,280
group of people together

3210
02:10:34,149 --> 02:10:32,239
and

3211
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:34,159
their different takes

3212
02:10:38,629 --> 02:10:36,239
and and viewpoints on the subject what

3213
02:10:40,629 --> 02:10:38,639
did you learn man it made you

3214
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:40,639
i think it was a very rich experience to

3215
02:10:44,709 --> 02:10:42,480
be honest with you because

3216
02:10:46,629 --> 02:10:44,719
there are so many different

3217
02:10:48,790 --> 02:10:46,639
you know as you know there are so many

3218
02:10:50,310 --> 02:10:48,800
different aspects to the subject of

3219
02:10:52,310 --> 02:10:50,320
those three letters

3220
02:10:54,470 --> 02:10:52,320
that you know there's implants there's

3221
02:10:56,310 --> 02:10:54,480
crop circles there's abductions you know

3222
02:10:59,990 --> 02:10:56,320
there's there's there's so many

3223
02:11:01,109 --> 02:11:00,000
different elements to the ufo term

3224
02:11:04,950 --> 02:11:01,119
and

3225
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:04,960
99 of it for us was sightings

3226
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:06,159
and

3227
02:11:10,069 --> 02:11:07,520
you know the part that i was talking

3228
02:11:11,750 --> 02:11:10,079
about people coming and going jimmy is

3229
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:11,760
those that would be

3230
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:13,920
the people that would have sightings

3231
02:11:17,589 --> 02:11:15,840
that would find us

3232
02:11:20,149 --> 02:11:17,599
and then they would want to you know

3233
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:20,159
hang out with people that had a likened

3234
02:11:24,550 --> 02:11:21,440
interest

3235
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:24,560
um all too often you know when you hear

3236
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:26,320
about how did you get involved in this

3237
02:11:31,669 --> 02:11:28,880
you know and then they tell you a story

3238
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:31,679
about how they had a sighting and and

3239
02:11:35,030 --> 02:11:33,199
that kind of thing

3240
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:35,040
um

3241
02:11:41,430 --> 02:11:38,800
it's it's it it's really stimulating at

3242
02:11:43,750 --> 02:11:41,440
first but then it sort of kind of loses

3243
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:43,760
its luster after a while so the ones

3244
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:45,760
that stick around are the ones that have

3245
02:11:50,950 --> 02:11:47,440
a true passion

3246
02:11:53,669 --> 02:11:50,960
and the ones that have the tenacity like

3247
02:11:55,350 --> 02:11:53,679
like a a john greenwald

3248
02:11:56,390 --> 02:11:55,360
a young kid

3249
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:56,400
who

3250
02:12:01,589 --> 02:11:58,400
found his way

3251
02:12:03,270 --> 02:12:01,599
in a niche that nobody else was really

3252
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:03,280
doing like that

3253
02:12:08,709 --> 02:12:07,119
nobody had set up a website a public

3254
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:08,719
forum

3255
02:12:12,790 --> 02:12:11,280
for that kind of work really that i that

3256
02:12:16,149 --> 02:12:12,800
i was aware of

3257
02:12:17,510 --> 02:12:16,159
um i know that there were apro and some

3258
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:17,520
others had

3259
02:12:21,270 --> 02:12:19,599
these databases and these things but

3260
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:21,280
they you know they were

3261
02:12:27,030 --> 02:12:24,480
they were a tactile

3262
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:27,040
deal you could you had to be there and

3263
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:28,880
put hands on these things to go through

3264
02:12:31,510 --> 02:12:29,679
it

3265
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:31,520
and you know

3266
02:12:35,669 --> 02:12:34,800
there's just not a lot of people

3267
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:35,679
that

3268
02:12:43,109 --> 02:12:38,719
knew a whole lot newsletters

3269
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:43,119
and journals were huge back then huge

3270
02:12:48,390 --> 02:12:44,880
and and you could get in the back of a

3271
02:12:51,270 --> 02:12:48,400
magazine of an omni or or whatever

3272
02:12:53,750 --> 02:12:51,280
of a mufon journal or whatever and just

3273
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:53,760
start filling out everything because you

3274
02:12:58,709 --> 02:12:56,800
wanted to try to to have your inbox your

3275
02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:58,719
mailbox full

3276
02:13:02,550 --> 02:12:59,840
um

3277
02:13:05,350 --> 02:13:02,560
of of literature and research and and

3278
02:13:07,109 --> 02:13:05,360
information to be able to stay up

3279
02:13:09,109 --> 02:13:07,119
on top of kind of

3280
02:13:10,229 --> 02:13:09,119
what's going on

3281
02:13:12,109 --> 02:13:10,239
and

3282
02:13:14,950 --> 02:13:12,119
but it you know the different

3283
02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:14,960
personalities and the different

3284
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:16,480
um

3285
02:13:21,669 --> 02:13:19,360
the different thought structures were i

3286
02:13:22,950 --> 02:13:21,679
mean they were real it was compelling to

3287
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:22,960
deal with

3288
02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:24,960
uh so many different people and that's

3289
02:13:29,910 --> 02:13:28,000
what kind of made me uh i was i'm just

3290
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:29,920
naturally a uh

3291
02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:31,840
i never meet a stranger kind of person

3292
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:34,320
like you i mean you and i can just we

3293
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:37,679
could walk up to a sister like a nun and

3294
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:40,000
we could sit down and have coffee and

3295
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:42,320
talk for hours and we could do the same

3296
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:45,520
thing with a race car driver or a horse

3297
02:13:51,270 --> 02:13:48,000
trainer or whatever

3298
02:13:54,790 --> 02:13:51,280
um and that made it a lot easier for me

3299
02:13:57,109 --> 02:13:54,800
to be able to shut my mouth and open my

3300
02:13:59,669 --> 02:13:57,119
ears these big old ears i got

3301
02:14:02,950 --> 02:13:59,679
now and that's what made it work how did

3302
02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:02,960
you uh end up finding mufon i've never

3303
02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:04,719
asked you that question so you've got

3304
02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:05,520
this

3305
02:14:11,350 --> 02:14:10,400
fort smith you've had your sighting

3306
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:11,360
and

3307
02:14:20,870 --> 02:14:16,960
picture when did that happen how did it

3308
02:14:24,229 --> 02:14:20,880
happen actively it happened in 07.

3309
02:14:25,270 --> 02:14:24,239
um but i had a couple of guys in the

3310
02:14:28,629 --> 02:14:25,280
group

3311
02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:28,639
who were subscribers to the journal

3312
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:32,320
you know back in the 90s and um you know

3313
02:14:36,629 --> 02:14:35,040
so we had mufon information

3314
02:14:41,189 --> 02:14:36,639
in our clique

3315
02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:41,199
you know every month and um but i never

3316
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:45,280
i never utilized any uh you know any of

3317
02:14:49,910 --> 02:14:47,840
their training when it came forward in

3318
02:14:51,430 --> 02:14:49,920
the very beginning because

3319
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:51,440
you know they you know they used to be

3320
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:54,320
comprised of mostly former you know law

3321
02:14:58,470 --> 02:14:57,280
enforcement and military and and you

3322
02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:58,480
know

3323
02:15:03,910 --> 02:15:01,599
trained officials and uh

3324
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:03,920
these these these cats a lot of them

3325
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:06,480
didn't really take too well to it

3326
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:07,280
when

3327
02:15:15,589 --> 02:15:14,480
pipe that they were looking at going

3328
02:15:16,629 --> 02:15:15,599
civilian

3329
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:16,639
and

3330
02:15:29,510 --> 02:15:27,040
grow the organization

3331
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:29,520
and this was all explained to me by some

3332
02:15:33,830 --> 02:15:32,079
of the guys that had come to to to hang

3333
02:15:35,189 --> 02:15:33,840
out in our group and and work in our

3334
02:15:36,790 --> 02:15:35,199
group and research in our group and

3335
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:36,800
contribute

3336
02:15:41,830 --> 02:15:40,480
and so um i was literally

3337
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:41,840
i was uh

3338
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:43,040
i was

3339
02:15:47,589 --> 02:15:44,719
just i had just come in from mowing the

3340
02:15:49,189 --> 02:15:47,599
lawn i took a shower i sat down i was

3341
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:49,199
drinking some tea

3342
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:53,040
and there was a ufo files episode that

3343
02:15:57,030 --> 02:15:54,239
that had

3344
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:57,040
started before i got to the tv

3345
02:16:02,069 --> 02:15:59,440
and right where i turned it on was where

3346
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:02,079
they were talking about the mutual ufo

3347
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:03,360
network

3348
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:06,480
um having meetup groups all over the

3349
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,760
place

3350
02:16:11,910 --> 02:16:09,679
and they were training and they talked

3351
02:16:13,830 --> 02:16:11,920
about how they did it and they featured

3352
02:16:14,629 --> 02:16:13,840
it in one of those episodes

3353
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:14,639
and

3354
02:16:25,189 --> 02:16:24,159
if they've got one in arkansas

3355
02:16:27,430 --> 02:16:25,199
and so

3356
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:27,440
where did they meet was it little rock

3357
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:30,560
or was it up in fort smith they actually

3358
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:31,520
met

3359
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:34,000
in northwest arkansas up in fayetteville

3360
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:36,559
where the university of arkansas is ah i

3361
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,240
got you okay that's where the state

3362
02:16:42,790 --> 02:16:40,479
director he's from a town a tawny town

3363
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:42,800
up there and they were holding meetings

3364
02:16:48,230 --> 02:16:45,280
up there and and

3365
02:16:50,790 --> 02:16:48,240
they had a very small group

3366
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:50,800
down in fort smith that was

3367
02:16:57,030 --> 02:16:52,240
it was

3368
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:57,040
pretty strong group

3369
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:59,040
but some of the folks that were running

3370
02:17:01,910 --> 02:17:00,800
it you know we're getting up there in

3371
02:17:04,389 --> 02:17:01,920
age

3372
02:17:06,790 --> 02:17:04,399
a lot of these folks were

3373
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:06,800
and uh

3374
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:10,000
i got on the computer i looked up mufon

3375
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:11,679
i read for

3376
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:13,040
hours

3377
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:15,200
and looking at the cases and all that

3378
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:16,880
and i looked up you know where you know

3379
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:19,120
the state of arkansas i got the state

3380
02:17:25,830 --> 02:17:22,559
director's uh email i emailed him he

3381
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:25,840
emailed me back then he called me

3382
02:17:33,190 --> 02:17:30,399
and um he came down and met with us um

3383
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:33,200
at a meeting we all met up at a meeting

3384
02:17:38,549 --> 02:17:35,760
in fort smith and there was about five

3385
02:17:40,150 --> 02:17:38,559
or six people there and that was this

3386
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:40,160
was your group

3387
02:17:43,349 --> 02:17:42,240
that's the group that i wound up you

3388
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:43,359
know

3389
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:46,479
taking over yeah no no oh oh so this

3390
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:48,880
wasn't no this was not

3391
02:17:53,429 --> 02:17:51,120
this time by this time we had dissolved

3392
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:53,439
our group okay

3393
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:56,559
yeah yeah this time i was doing archival

3394
02:18:01,349 --> 02:17:59,280
research and library stuff and getting

3395
02:18:02,309 --> 02:18:01,359
to know the internet and working on the

3396
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:02,319
internet

3397
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:04,960
um through the mid and late 90s

3398
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:06,080
um

3399
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:08,080
after 2000

3400
02:18:15,349 --> 02:18:11,040
um was when i had a career change

3401
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:15,359
and i you know i had met byrd in 98

3402
02:18:18,230 --> 02:18:16,399
and

3403
02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:18,240
we got married well we didn't get

3404
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,240
married we lived together as though we

3405
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:22,399
were married and i was all of a sudden

3406
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:24,399
or uh you know in a ready-made family

3407
02:18:28,709 --> 02:18:26,160
she had two kids

3408
02:18:29,830 --> 02:18:28,719
one eleven one eight a son and a

3409
02:18:31,610 --> 02:18:29,840
daughter

3410
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:31,620
and you know i was

3411
02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:33,920
[Applause]

3412
02:18:37,190 --> 02:18:36,240
a full-time dad

3413
02:18:40,230 --> 02:18:37,200
and

3414
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:40,240
so all of that ufo stuff kind of took a

3415
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:41,920
back seat to

3416
02:18:46,549 --> 02:18:44,880
you know going to skate parks and you

3417
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:46,559
know baseball game and i you know i

3418
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:49,519
coached uh church league baseball and

3419
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:50,880
and and

3420
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:53,359
boys club football and you know it was

3421
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:55,599
just family stuff then

3422
02:19:02,709 --> 02:18:58,880
for several years and then and it was in

3423
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:02,719
07 when um it all kind of reignited we

3424
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:04,960
went to this meeting robin and i we

3425
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:07,040
wound up joining mufon

3426
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:09,040
and i just i really thought that it

3427
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:10,880
would be cool to

3428
02:19:14,469 --> 02:19:12,240
add to

3429
02:19:16,230 --> 02:19:14,479
my investigation and researching you

3430
02:19:18,070 --> 02:19:16,240
know knowledge

3431
02:19:19,349 --> 02:19:18,080
base my skill sets

3432
02:19:21,270 --> 02:19:19,359
um

3433
02:19:24,389 --> 02:19:21,280
and just sort of add what they were

3434
02:19:25,349 --> 02:19:24,399
willing to teach you to it

3435
02:19:28,070 --> 02:19:25,359
um

3436
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,080
and i learned a lot yeah this is this is

3437
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,800
you and i have as many conversations as

3438
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:32,399
as we have

3439
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:34,479
uh we've never talked about this

3440
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:35,599
um

3441
02:19:40,950 --> 02:19:39,200
uh as did how long did you become an

3442
02:19:43,270 --> 02:19:40,960
investigator

3443
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:43,280
not right away um

3444
02:19:47,030 --> 02:19:45,519
i was re i was kind of skeptical about

3445
02:19:49,910 --> 02:19:47,040
it at first

3446
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:49,920
um and to be very honest with you

3447
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:53,280
uh there's they were kind of uh strict

3448
02:19:55,750 --> 02:19:54,880
with

3449
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:55,760
um

3450
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:57,439
the requirements

3451
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:58,479
and

3452
02:20:02,230 --> 02:20:00,560
i was a little nervous about it because

3453
02:20:05,030 --> 02:20:02,240
i had a rest record from when i was a

3454
02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:05,040
kid from when i was young like 18 19

3455
02:20:10,550 --> 02:20:08,399
years old and um so i was worried that

3456
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:10,560
that was going to hinder me from being

3457
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:12,880
able to be processed through

3458
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:14,800
as an investigator

3459
02:20:19,830 --> 02:20:17,120
well um after talking to the state

3460
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:19,840
director about it because he was really

3461
02:20:23,510 --> 02:20:22,399
adamant he was like race you are a sharp

3462
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:23,520
guy

3463
02:20:28,070 --> 02:20:25,520
you've got a great personality you you

3464
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:28,080
know you would be a vital asset to this

3465
02:20:31,670 --> 02:20:30,080
group he said what you know you know

3466
02:20:33,590 --> 02:20:31,680
what's the problem

3467
02:20:36,309 --> 02:20:33,600
and so i told him

3468
02:20:38,309 --> 02:20:36,319
and he said well you know what happened

3469
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:38,319
well first thing he was like

3470
02:20:43,110 --> 02:20:40,560
did did you have any violent crime

3471
02:20:45,750 --> 02:20:43,120
offenses any drug offenses any sexual

3472
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:45,760
offenses and this no no no no no they're

3473
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:48,240
not just criminal trespassing and you

3474
02:20:53,349 --> 02:20:49,040
know

3475
02:20:55,030 --> 02:20:53,359
and and so he was like well

3476
02:20:57,429 --> 02:20:55,040
can do you have any paperwork or

3477
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:57,439
documentation i said well all i've got

3478
02:21:01,910 --> 02:21:00,160
is a letter from the state that said i

3479
02:21:03,030 --> 02:21:01,920
did everything they were they told me i

3480
02:21:05,349 --> 02:21:03,040
had to do

3481
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:05,359
and i haven't repeat offended

3482
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:07,040
and you know

3483
02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:10,640
however many years and and um

3484
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:12,960
you know congratulations

3485
02:21:16,790 --> 02:21:14,479
and they expunged your record you know

3486
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:16,800
when when you're a first-time offender

3487
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:18,880
and they they pass sentence on you and

3488
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:21,200
you do it and then you never repeat

3489
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:22,800
offend or go back

3490
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:24,640
they just they they wipe it off your

3491
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:25,600
record

3492
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:26,560
he said

3493
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:29,520
send me a copy of that and so i did

3494
02:21:33,830 --> 02:21:31,520
and then i wound up taking the test and

3495
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,840
he bundled all that together and sent it

3496
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:35,280
up to dave mcdonald's up there in

3497
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:36,720
kentucky and

3498
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:39,439
they processed me through and

3499
02:21:46,630 --> 02:21:43,439
i was an investigator in 2008.

3500
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:46,640
what kind of um

3501
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:48,960
what kind of cases

3502
02:21:55,750 --> 02:21:53,359
were you given in mufon back in 2008

3503
02:21:58,150 --> 02:21:55,760
what i mean by that is what type of

3504
02:21:59,750 --> 02:21:58,160
sightings do you remember

3505
02:22:02,630 --> 02:21:59,760
what was going on

3506
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,640
back then well like when we were

3507
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:04,640
actively investigating reports that

3508
02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:07,680
would come in through the cms because

3509
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:10,080
mufon developed this new case management

3510
02:22:14,710 --> 02:22:12,240
system a digital case management system

3511
02:22:16,309 --> 02:22:14,720
where people could report online

3512
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:16,319
anonymously

3513
02:22:23,110 --> 02:22:19,760
and the moment that they hit enter and

3514
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:23,120
uploaded that case that case would go to

3515
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:24,960
the corresponding state upon which it

3516
02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:26,319
was reported

3517
02:22:30,630 --> 02:22:28,319
that state director would then take it

3518
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:30,640
take a look at it find the corresponding

3519
02:22:35,670 --> 02:22:33,520
location and then

3520
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:35,680
disseminate it down to

3521
02:22:40,710 --> 02:22:37,840
the the closest

3522
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:40,720
uh investigation acquisition that they

3523
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:42,319
you know the the

3524
02:22:45,910 --> 02:22:44,560
the main part was the efficiency how

3525
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:45,920
they could

3526
02:22:51,670 --> 02:22:48,319
acquire a case and then disseminate it

3527
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:51,680
right down to a really close proximity

3528
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:54,000
and then get someone there within 24

3529
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:55,040
hours

3530
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:56,640
and so

3531
02:23:00,070 --> 02:22:58,800
when we weren't doing those

3532
02:23:01,349 --> 02:23:00,080
we were

3533
02:23:03,830 --> 02:23:01,359
researching

3534
02:23:06,550 --> 02:23:03,840
we were finding book authors and people

3535
02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:06,560
who had experiences and the like and we

3536
02:23:10,469 --> 02:23:08,720
were literally researching calling them

3537
02:23:12,790 --> 02:23:10,479
up reaching out to them and that kind of

3538
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,800
thing but the cases mainly were

3539
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:14,479
lights in the skies

3540
02:23:23,349 --> 02:23:20,950
arkansas would maybe get on a good month

3541
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:23,359
like seven reports

3542
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:24,960
sometimes they would have pictures that

3543
02:23:28,630 --> 02:23:26,560
would accompany them

3544
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:28,640
some and even more rarely they would

3545
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:30,319
have video

3546
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:31,280
um

3547
02:23:34,870 --> 02:23:33,280
but you kind of honed your interviewing

3548
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:34,880
skills

3549
02:23:39,349 --> 02:23:36,880
like like one time we had some really

3550
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:39,359
cool pictures really cool pictures they

3551
02:23:43,990 --> 02:23:40,399
were uh

3552
02:23:46,550 --> 02:23:44,000
multi-colored like worm looking pictures

3553
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:46,560
and the case report had

3554
02:23:51,670 --> 02:23:49,439
that the guy had bought a new canon eos

3555
02:23:54,309 --> 02:23:51,680
rebel and he had it set up on a tripod

3556
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:54,319
and he had like open exposure

3557
02:23:56,550 --> 02:23:55,680
um you know

3558
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:56,560
just

3559
02:24:03,429 --> 02:24:00,880
ripping off like 700 shots at a time

3560
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:03,439
um and then he would you know open the

3561
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:06,080
exposure up longer to longer

3562
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:08,560
a longer exposure and

3563
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:10,960
inside like 30

3564
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:12,960
shots that he took in the course of you

3565
02:24:16,710 --> 02:24:14,560
know an hour

3566
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:16,720
were these three pictures that had these

3567
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:18,000
squirrely

3568
02:24:22,630 --> 02:24:20,640
you know colorful lines in them

3569
02:24:24,309 --> 02:24:22,640
and we were like holy and there was a

3570
02:24:28,950 --> 02:24:24,319
lot of

3571
02:24:30,870 --> 02:24:28,960
buzz kinda about those kinds of of uh

3572
02:24:33,670 --> 02:24:30,880
that kind of photography that was taking

3573
02:24:36,710 --> 02:24:33,680
place at the time how many investigators

3574
02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:36,720
in 2008 state investigators were in

3575
02:24:43,750 --> 02:24:38,800
mufon in arkansas

3576
02:24:49,270 --> 02:24:45,349
probably 20

3577
02:24:51,670 --> 02:24:49,280
20. so yeah you get seven cases in

3578
02:24:54,790 --> 02:24:51,680
uh were you getting a case per month or

3579
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:54,800
was it every other month if that yeah

3580
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:56,800
right and so it wasn't always i was in

3581
02:25:00,870 --> 02:24:58,479
the west central section right on the

3582
02:25:02,389 --> 02:25:00,880
border of oklahoma and arkansas right

3583
02:25:03,910 --> 02:25:02,399
there was a group up in northwest

3584
02:25:05,910 --> 02:25:03,920
arkansas there was a group over on the

3585
02:25:07,830 --> 02:25:05,920
east side the north side in jonesboro

3586
02:25:10,230 --> 02:25:07,840
there was a group in little rock and one

3587
02:25:12,309 --> 02:25:10,240
in hot springs well so this is my

3588
02:25:15,030 --> 02:25:12,319
question you know so

3589
02:25:16,389 --> 02:25:15,040
you you get a case right you're waiting

3590
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:16,399
you get one

3591
02:25:20,630 --> 02:25:18,880
and now you get to investigate right you

3592
02:25:23,670 --> 02:25:20,640
jump in the car you go out you do an

3593
02:25:25,349 --> 02:25:23,680
interview and you go on location yeah

3594
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:25,359
right you're going on some of them but

3595
02:25:28,870 --> 02:25:27,359
most of them you didn't

3596
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:28,880
most of them you could take care of it

3597
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:30,479
with a phone call

3598
02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:32,560
okay to be honest with you but like this

3599
02:25:37,030 --> 02:25:34,240
one i was explaining

3600
02:25:39,030 --> 02:25:37,040
we drove two hours south down to meena

3601
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:39,040
to look at this case my chief

3602
02:25:43,830 --> 02:25:41,280
investigator and myself

3603
02:25:45,990 --> 02:25:43,840
and you know we were really impressed

3604
02:25:48,710 --> 02:25:46,000
with the witnesses with him and his wife

3605
02:25:51,830 --> 02:25:48,720
and we we looked at his camera he gave

3606
02:25:53,750 --> 02:25:51,840
us the the the chip from it and the sim

3607
02:25:54,870 --> 02:25:53,760
card and everything so we had everything

3608
02:25:56,309 --> 02:25:54,880
we needed

3609
02:25:58,550 --> 02:25:56,319
to get you know

3610
02:26:00,070 --> 02:25:58,560
to get the exif data and everything that

3611
02:26:01,990 --> 02:26:00,080
we needed to make sure these pictures

3612
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:02,000
were in sequence the way he said and the

3613
02:26:05,190 --> 02:26:03,600
whole bit

3614
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:05,200
and so i went out to the edge of his

3615
02:26:09,990 --> 02:26:07,359
property and was snapping photographs

3616
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:10,000
you know of the of the lay of the land

3617
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:12,960
in a 360 degree circle

3618
02:26:18,309 --> 02:26:15,280
and it was up on the side of a ridge

3619
02:26:19,670 --> 02:26:18,319
full of trees and some clearing

3620
02:26:23,349 --> 02:26:19,680
and

3621
02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:23,359
take video

3622
02:26:26,870 --> 02:26:25,600
it went just followed the same track i

3623
02:26:29,270 --> 02:26:26,880
was just on

3624
02:26:31,030 --> 02:26:29,280
and i was taking video and i was looking

3625
02:26:32,710 --> 02:26:31,040
and the breeze was blowing

3626
02:26:33,670 --> 02:26:32,720
and i something caught my eye up in the

3627
02:26:35,349 --> 02:26:33,680
tree

3628
02:26:37,110 --> 02:26:35,359
and it was one of those

3629
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:37,120
like round

3630
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:38,640
helicopter

3631
02:26:43,510 --> 02:26:40,960
you know like a cross with a circle

3632
02:26:45,429 --> 02:26:43,520
around it and you would put like a a zip

3633
02:26:48,070 --> 02:26:45,439
in it you would pull it and it would

3634
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:48,080
helicopter i i remember those those were

3635
02:26:55,110 --> 02:26:53,510
spent two hours getting it out of that

3636
02:26:59,510 --> 02:26:55,120
tree

3637
02:27:02,469 --> 02:26:59,520
with a fishing rod

3638
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:02,479
wiggled it out of there and

3639
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:04,319
what i needed to know was did it

3640
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:13,510
so there you go you know it's cases like

3641
02:27:17,670 --> 02:27:14,800
that like

3642
02:27:20,309 --> 02:27:17,680
and and he was like

3643
02:27:21,510 --> 02:27:20,319
gosh it had to be little johnny you know

3644
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:21,520
his kid

3645
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:23,200
was out there playing with his little

3646
02:27:27,110 --> 02:27:25,359
thing and his camera caught it and he

3647
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:27,120
didn't know it

3648
02:27:31,990 --> 02:27:30,720
um and they were so apologetic

3649
02:27:32,710 --> 02:27:32,000
because i had to go in there and tell

3650
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:32,720
them

3651
02:27:36,710 --> 02:27:34,479
you know that i had found this and that

3652
02:27:38,150 --> 02:27:36,720
i really thought that this could be

3653
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:38,160
you know so

3654
02:27:42,710 --> 02:27:41,600
could they or would they be willing

3655
02:27:46,070 --> 02:27:42,720
to

3656
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:46,080
and have some dinner

3657
02:27:51,349 --> 02:27:48,560
let the sun set and come back and try to

3658
02:27:53,590 --> 02:27:51,359
replicate this they did and we did and

3659
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:53,600
we solved the case

3660
02:27:58,309 --> 02:27:55,920
so you know it was a lot of really

3661
02:28:00,710 --> 02:27:58,319
rewarding experiences there's nothing

3662
02:28:02,550 --> 02:28:00,720
wrong with that i bet you that makes you

3663
02:28:03,429 --> 02:28:02,560
feel pretty good

3664
02:28:05,190 --> 02:28:03,439
well

3665
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,200
the chicken fried steak and white gravy

3666
02:28:09,910 --> 02:28:07,439
was off the hook yeah yeah i may have

3667
02:28:13,510 --> 02:28:09,920
literally made the trip down there to

3668
02:28:14,389 --> 02:28:13,520
that place to get their cinnamon rolls

3669
02:28:16,630 --> 02:28:14,399
so

3670
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:16,640
okay uh before we're gonna head to a

3671
02:28:20,630 --> 02:28:18,880
break we'll come back to overtime and

3672
02:28:22,230 --> 02:28:20,640
we'll get to the end of the finish line

3673
02:28:26,630 --> 02:28:22,240
uh today but

3674
02:28:28,309 --> 02:28:26,640
i want to share this with you race

3675
02:28:30,389 --> 02:28:28,319
last month

3676
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:30,399
there's a famous chain

3677
02:28:35,910 --> 02:28:32,960
here in los angeles hard to find it's

3678
02:28:37,830 --> 02:28:35,920
called tom's t-o-m

3679
02:28:41,110 --> 02:28:37,840
apostrophe s

3680
02:28:42,309 --> 02:28:41,120
times number 22 tom's number 30 right

3681
02:28:45,590 --> 02:28:42,319
okay

3682
02:28:47,190 --> 02:28:45,600
um i've never had one close to me

3683
02:28:48,710 --> 02:28:47,200
i found one

3684
02:28:50,469 --> 02:28:48,720
and do you know what's so great about

3685
02:28:53,270 --> 02:28:50,479
tom's

3686
02:28:55,510 --> 02:28:53,280
chicken fried steak chicken fried steak

3687
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:55,520
they have biscuits and gravy there you

3688
02:29:01,990 --> 02:29:00,160
go to order um eggs ham and eggs and ham

3689
02:29:04,550 --> 02:29:02,000
any time of the day

3690
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:04,560
um with the side of biscuits and gravy

3691
02:29:10,790 --> 02:29:08,479
chicken fried steak whatever and it is

3692
02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:13,670
uh uh on my life

3693
02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:15,680
two weeks ago the day that i found the

3694
02:29:20,830 --> 02:29:18,479
restaurant right okay i had to finish

3695
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:20,840
i'm driving

3696
02:29:25,910 --> 02:29:23,040
singing i'm going to towns and i'm

3697
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:25,920
getting chicken fries dick and drinking

3698
02:29:30,070 --> 02:29:28,560
i'm going to i i thought i need to shoot

3699
02:29:35,190 --> 02:29:30,080
a video of this

3700
02:29:38,710 --> 02:29:35,200
the joy i had in my heart

3701
02:29:41,190 --> 02:29:38,720
that uh the rarest of the rare in los

3702
02:29:43,990 --> 02:29:41,200
angeles county is chicken fried steak

3703
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:44,000
and eggs uh with with uh sausage grape

3704
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:45,359
doesn't exist

3705
02:29:49,349 --> 02:29:47,120
i got it man

3706
02:29:50,950 --> 02:29:49,359
that's awesome three blocks away let's

3707
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:50,960
take our break right here our guest

3708
02:29:55,670 --> 02:29:52,560
tonight the one and only

3709
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:55,680
raise hobbs and you know what uh

3710
02:29:58,790 --> 02:29:56,800
somehow

3711
02:30:00,950 --> 02:29:58,800
i knew we would get uh chicken fried

3712
02:30:02,630 --> 02:30:00,960
steak and eggs into the conversation

3713
02:30:06,309 --> 02:30:02,640
we're going to overtime this is fade to

3714
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:06,319
black tonight it is ufos uaps the race

3715
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:08,800
to the finish line with race hobbes more

3716
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:10,720
with race and getting to that finish

3717
02:30:15,420 --> 02:30:12,640
line when we come back

3718
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:15,430
stay with us this is fade to black

3719
02:30:20,390 --> 02:30:18,160
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3720
02:30:26,990 --> 02:30:20,400
um

3721
02:30:28,280 --> 02:30:27,000
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02:30:36,309 --> 02:30:28,290
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02:30:39,910 --> 02:30:38,389
you're listening to jimmy church and

3724
02:30:44,950 --> 02:30:39,920
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3725
02:30:50,150 --> 02:30:47,270
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3726
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3727
02:31:03,700 --> 02:30:56,950
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02:35:00,960 --> 02:34:57,120
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3811
02:35:18,389 --> 02:35:15,830
man watching the chat room during the

3812
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:21,030
man you guys have lost your mind

3813
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:25,190
grits

3814
02:35:31,190 --> 02:35:28,560
see here's the deal um i i

3815
02:35:33,830 --> 02:35:31,200
okay our guest tonight is uh race ops

3816
02:35:36,550 --> 02:35:33,840
supposed to be talking about ufos

3817
02:35:40,150 --> 02:35:36,560
and and that chat room will dictate uh

3818
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:40,160
the the direction of this show race and

3819
02:35:43,670 --> 02:35:42,160
and here's the deal

3820
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:43,680
growing up

3821
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:44,960
when

3822
02:35:49,270 --> 02:35:46,000
the

3823
02:35:51,270 --> 02:35:49,280
quaker roads instant oatmeal came out

3824
02:35:52,230 --> 02:35:51,280
you know in the 70s

3825
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:52,240
um

3826
02:35:58,389 --> 02:35:54,640
those were glorious times

3827
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:58,399
right the the apple oatmeal oh man

3828
02:36:02,070 --> 02:36:00,960
apples and cinnamon oatmeal the maple

3829
02:36:05,349 --> 02:36:02,080
never had it

3830
02:36:06,389 --> 02:36:05,359
and uh slow slow your roll race slow

3831
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:06,399
your roll

3832
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:10,000
and um and so but my mom

3833
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:12,160
would buy that cream of wheat

3834
02:36:16,230 --> 02:36:13,760
right okay

3835
02:36:20,630 --> 02:36:16,240
and i

3836
02:36:23,910 --> 02:36:20,640
i i i it took what i was probably four

3837
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:23,920
five four and get the bowl of cream of

3838
02:36:26,630 --> 02:36:25,359
wheat in front of me i don't know what

3839
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:26,640
to do with it

3840
02:36:31,830 --> 02:36:29,439
and and i one

3841
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:31,840
one spoonful

3842
02:36:37,910 --> 02:36:35,120
was i think it was the only time

3843
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:37,920
i have ingested cream of wheat in my

3844
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:39,200
life

3845
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:41,120
couldn't couldn't do it couldn't do it

3846
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:42,720
and so

3847
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:46,399
this was what followed no no oatmeal all

3848
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:49,040
day long man i'll eat and

3849
02:36:54,389 --> 02:36:51,359
oatmeal oatmeal cookies it doesn't

3850
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:54,399
matter man i love oatmeal any form

3851
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:57,520
and and the art of milk and brown sugar

3852
02:37:02,230 --> 02:36:59,520
and and the ratio

3853
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:02,240
um and nothing like hot oatmeal with the

3854
02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:03,280
uh

3855
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:05,200
with the milk and then you could half

3856
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:07,520
and half and so it's not hot

3857
02:37:10,630 --> 02:37:09,280
the whole thing there's an art to it

3858
02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:10,640
loved it

3859
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:12,000
cream of wheat

3860
02:37:16,150 --> 02:37:13,040
no

3861
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:16,160
and so when grits

3862
02:37:19,750 --> 02:37:18,720
sort of entered my life for the first

3863
02:37:23,110 --> 02:37:19,760
time

3864
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:23,120
and i remember seeing it and and and

3865
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:24,080
things

3866
02:37:27,590 --> 02:37:26,240
and i think i tasted just like a little

3867
02:37:31,349 --> 02:37:27,600
you know once

3868
02:37:34,230 --> 02:37:31,359
no no that's i i that's that's not me

3869
02:37:35,110 --> 02:37:34,240
hash browns all day long

3870
02:37:37,910 --> 02:37:35,120
um

3871
02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:37,920
i i can't do a side of grits and

3872
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:40,080
never will i don't even know what a grit

3873
02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:41,920
is

3874
02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:44,399
it's corn

3875
02:37:47,830 --> 02:37:46,479
okay i'll take your word for it

3876
02:37:50,389 --> 02:37:47,840
you know if you took a if you had a

3877
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:50,399
little uh kernel of corn and you say you

3878
02:37:55,990 --> 02:37:53,120
dropped it in a cup of water

3879
02:37:58,469 --> 02:37:56,000
and it swells up and makes harmony

3880
02:38:00,710 --> 02:37:58,479
okay you've heard of harmony right i've

3881
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:00,720
i've seen the characters sort of like

3882
02:38:07,590 --> 02:38:03,920
saw you know um

3883
02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:07,600
chat help me out what is the the crunchy

3884
02:38:13,510 --> 02:38:11,120
corn nuts corn nuts that's it yeah it's

3885
02:38:16,309 --> 02:38:13,520
a corn nut but it's soggy

3886
02:38:18,790 --> 02:38:16,319
and right in the middle of this

3887
02:38:19,990 --> 02:38:18,800
the the heart of it it's just this

3888
02:38:26,870 --> 02:38:20,000
little

3889
02:38:29,190 --> 02:38:26,880
omni that's where grits come from it's

3890
02:38:32,469 --> 02:38:29,200
just a big pot

3891
02:38:35,270 --> 02:38:32,479
how does it get to that that paste you

3892
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:35,280
see you you steam it you you cook it and

3893
02:38:38,630 --> 02:38:37,200
and steam it and it takes about 20

3894
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:38,640
minutes and and

3895
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:40,160
you add

3896
02:38:45,670 --> 02:38:42,479
your butter and sugar to it or you can

3897
02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:45,680
put cheese in it man grits are the

3898
02:38:51,830 --> 02:38:47,040
business

3899
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:51,840
staple down here in the south where you

3900
02:38:57,030 --> 02:38:53,680
can

3901
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:57,040
i've seen my cousin vinnie i've seen you

3902
02:39:01,349 --> 02:38:59,280
get stuck in the mud you wander to a

3903
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:01,359
diner and there it is

3904
02:39:06,469 --> 02:39:04,000
just like in my cousin vinnie

3905
02:39:08,309 --> 02:39:06,479
them's homie grits

3906
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:08,319
i'll tell you something about cream of

3907
02:39:15,510 --> 02:39:14,389
chocolate dude that is name of wheat

3908
02:39:16,790 --> 02:39:15,520
grits

3909
02:39:18,070 --> 02:39:16,800
i don't know you know what that's a good

3910
02:39:21,830 --> 02:39:18,080
question i don't know

3911
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:21,840
no it's wheat okay and grits are corn

3912
02:39:26,389 --> 02:39:24,160
i i've had it my mom bought it you know

3913
02:39:28,550 --> 02:39:26,399
we had it from time to time

3914
02:39:31,510 --> 02:39:28,560
um but they made

3915
02:39:32,469 --> 02:39:31,520
a chocolate version of it

3916
02:39:34,790 --> 02:39:32,479
and

3917
02:39:35,830 --> 02:39:34,800
i'm like you with that like i was able

3918
02:39:38,070 --> 02:39:35,840
to eat

3919
02:39:39,990 --> 02:39:38,080
the cream of wheat but the chocolate

3920
02:39:41,030 --> 02:39:40,000
version

3921
02:39:42,230 --> 02:39:41,040
forget it

3922
02:39:44,950 --> 02:39:42,240
and i'll tell you

3923
02:39:46,550 --> 02:39:44,960
i'll never forget when i didn't eat it

3924
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:46,560
i just put my bowl on the counter and

3925
02:39:49,830 --> 02:39:48,080
went to school

3926
02:39:52,790 --> 02:39:49,840
when i came home from school it was

3927
02:39:53,990 --> 02:39:52,800
still there waiting for you and it was

3928
02:39:56,150 --> 02:39:54,000
like

3929
02:39:57,910 --> 02:39:56,160
cement

3930
02:39:59,990 --> 02:39:57,920
like you could have took a a butter

3931
02:40:01,590 --> 02:40:00,000
knife and and you couldn't even you

3932
02:40:03,030 --> 02:40:01,600
couldn't penetrate it

3933
02:40:05,030 --> 02:40:03,040
man and so

3934
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:05,040
i'm cool with uh

3935
02:40:08,550 --> 02:40:06,399
hash browns

3936
02:40:11,030 --> 02:40:08,560
that's why man

3937
02:40:13,190 --> 02:40:11,040
my daughter she is a huge

3938
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:13,200
i think she's got some russian in her or

3939
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:15,600
something because she loves potatoes in

3940
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:18,240
any form yeah so do i and she makes the

3941
02:40:25,349 --> 02:40:21,680
best mashed potatoes on earth

3942
02:40:28,230 --> 02:40:25,359
um i did uh you know what i did today uh

3943
02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:28,240
for watching jimmy and can i just be

3944
02:40:31,990 --> 02:40:30,640
honest and this is my new slim and trim

3945
02:40:35,110 --> 02:40:32,000
body right

3946
02:40:37,030 --> 02:40:35,120
all those yeah all them yeah

3947
02:40:40,150 --> 02:40:37,040
you know

3948
02:40:41,590 --> 02:40:40,160
what'd you do

3949
02:40:44,630 --> 02:40:41,600
i did

3950
02:40:46,870 --> 02:40:44,640
garlic mashed potatoes

3951
02:40:49,990 --> 02:40:46,880
and meatloaf stop it

3952
02:40:53,190 --> 02:40:50,000
i did i did

3953
02:40:54,790 --> 02:40:53,200
make me my favorite is oh groton

3954
02:40:56,870 --> 02:40:54,800
yeah good friend that's gonna make me

3955
02:40:59,510 --> 02:40:56,880
some one day that

3956
02:41:02,790 --> 02:40:59,520
i can't wait well i did that uh we we

3957
02:41:04,790 --> 02:41:02,800
had a party here last month and i you

3958
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:04,800
know i cooked all the meats

3959
02:41:10,469 --> 02:41:08,000
but i had everybody selected dish for

3960
02:41:13,349 --> 02:41:10,479
them to bring right so

3961
02:41:15,429 --> 02:41:13,359
um and the way to do it right so we had

3962
02:41:18,710 --> 02:41:15,439
string bean casserole green bean

3963
02:41:20,870 --> 02:41:18,720
casserole oh man right anyway lisa frith

3964
02:41:23,910 --> 02:41:20,880
lisa everybody knows lisa

3965
02:41:25,990 --> 02:41:23,920
she made scallop potatoes

3966
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:26,000
and oh man

3967
02:41:31,349 --> 02:41:27,920
they're my favorite scalloped potatoes

3968
02:41:33,429 --> 02:41:31,359
are the best man man man

3969
02:41:35,910 --> 02:41:33,439
there's an art to it too man there it is

3970
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:35,920
right there is no there is called on

3971
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:38,479
that cheese you know

3972
02:41:41,990 --> 02:41:40,080
yeah there's an art to making it there's

3973
02:41:44,469 --> 02:41:42,000
an art to eating it

3974
02:41:46,950 --> 02:41:44,479
without scalding your ass

3975
02:41:49,110 --> 02:41:46,960
yeah that's true

3976
02:41:51,429 --> 02:41:49,120
all right let's get back to ufos before

3977
02:41:53,750 --> 02:41:51,439
we run out of time so here

3978
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:53,760
after um

3979
02:41:56,150 --> 02:41:55,120
aliens

3980
02:41:57,830 --> 02:41:56,160
et

3981
02:41:58,950 --> 02:41:57,840
and scallop potatoes there's a

3982
02:42:00,870 --> 02:41:58,960
connection

3983
02:42:01,990 --> 02:42:00,880
and and i will show you how to do that

3984
02:42:03,590 --> 02:42:02,000
right now

3985
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:03,600
is is

3986
02:42:08,469 --> 02:42:05,439
your journey

3987
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:08,479
you know 1990 the 1992 with the fort

3988
02:42:12,469 --> 02:42:10,560
smith aerial phenomenon research group

3989
02:42:15,910 --> 02:42:12,479
which i love the name

3990
02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:15,920
then you know through mufon radio

3991
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:19,680
um running networks like you do today

3992
02:42:26,710 --> 02:42:23,680
did you have any idea that this journey

3993
02:42:27,910 --> 02:42:26,720
would end up with what is happening

3994
02:42:30,070 --> 02:42:27,920
today

3995
02:42:33,590 --> 02:42:30,080
with the department of defense and and

3996
02:42:34,710 --> 02:42:33,600
pilots and the senate

3997
02:42:37,670 --> 02:42:34,720
you know uh

3998
02:42:39,910 --> 02:42:37,680
uap ufos being mentioned in the white

3999
02:42:42,630 --> 02:42:39,920
house press room last year which was a

4000
02:42:44,630 --> 02:42:42,640
mind-blowing moment for me i think

4001
02:42:46,230 --> 02:42:44,640
it probably had to be the first time in

4002
02:42:48,630 --> 02:42:46,240
the press room at

4003
02:42:49,670 --> 02:42:48,640
the white house on live television that

4004
02:42:53,110 --> 02:42:49,680
you heard

4005
02:42:55,510 --> 02:42:53,120
ufos uh spoken into the microphone did

4006
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:55,520
you have any idea that this journey

4007
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:03,349
that's what we all hoped for back then

4008
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:05,760
but by the time it got here

4009
02:43:11,269 --> 02:43:08,960
for me it was far less impressive

4010
02:43:14,230 --> 02:43:11,279
why i thought i honestly thought that

4011
02:43:16,230 --> 02:43:14,240
you go back to 2001 to the the national

4012
02:43:19,429 --> 02:43:16,240
press club the disclosure

4013
02:43:23,990 --> 02:43:19,439
project i think that was far more rich

4014
02:43:27,030 --> 02:43:24,000
and impactful than anything they said

4015
02:43:28,790 --> 02:43:27,040
far more man when you had those kinds of

4016
02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:28,800
people with those kinds of credentials

4017
02:43:32,950 --> 02:43:30,640
those kinds of backgrounds those kinds

4018
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:32,960
of vetted

4019
02:43:37,349 --> 02:43:35,040
testimony

4020
02:43:39,110 --> 02:43:37,359
you can't beat that and and it's

4021
02:43:41,349 --> 02:43:39,120
something that every one of you can go

4022
02:43:44,230 --> 02:43:41,359
back and look up

4023
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:44,240
and really absorb it

4024
02:43:49,910 --> 02:43:45,520
you know

4025
02:43:51,030 --> 02:43:49,920
there's so many people there right that

4026
02:43:52,070 --> 02:43:51,040
were in

4027
02:43:55,110 --> 02:43:52,080
very

4028
02:43:56,870 --> 02:43:55,120
well-placed positions at the times they

4029
02:43:58,710 --> 02:43:56,880
were there

4030
02:44:02,630 --> 02:43:58,720
from the nro

4031
02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:02,640
you know all the way back to

4032
02:44:09,349 --> 02:44:07,910
and you just

4033
02:44:11,830 --> 02:44:09,359
their their

4034
02:44:15,710 --> 02:44:11,840
their level of testimony

4035
02:44:18,710 --> 02:44:15,720
their level of um

4036
02:44:21,349 --> 02:44:18,720
believability for me

4037
02:44:23,990 --> 02:44:21,359
is it's paramount

4038
02:44:25,910 --> 02:44:24,000
you just you don't get any better

4039
02:44:28,710 --> 02:44:25,920
than a gordon cooper

4040
02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:28,720
you just they don't you know

4041
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:30,720
a true

4042
02:44:35,830 --> 02:44:32,640
american hero

4043
02:44:37,429 --> 02:44:35,840
a man that when he talks

4044
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:37,439
you listen

4045
02:44:41,830 --> 02:44:39,600
a lot like a chuck yeager or somebody

4046
02:44:44,630 --> 02:44:41,840
like that you know guys that

4047
02:44:48,469 --> 02:44:44,640
that did it

4048
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:48,479
their way put their lives on the line

4049
02:44:54,870 --> 02:44:52,319
for their country and for me and you

4050
02:44:57,190 --> 02:44:54,880
for us

4051
02:44:59,349 --> 02:44:57,200
um

4052
02:45:01,830 --> 02:44:59,359
it just doesn't get any better than that

4053
02:45:04,070 --> 02:45:01,840
because for me honestly i don't believe

4054
02:45:05,670 --> 02:45:04,080
a damn thing the government says

4055
02:45:09,269 --> 02:45:05,680
nothing

4056
02:45:10,950 --> 02:45:09,279
unless they unless they roll

4057
02:45:31,510 --> 02:45:10,960
a

4058
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:31,520
somewhere

4059
02:45:34,309 --> 02:45:32,720
underground

4060
02:45:37,030 --> 02:45:34,319
or 30 floors

4061
02:45:38,870 --> 02:45:37,040
um something that you guys made up you

4062
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:38,880
know

4063
02:45:44,389 --> 02:45:41,520
the aerocar they were just trying to

4064
02:45:47,110 --> 02:45:44,399
create stuff that looked like ufos you

4065
02:45:50,230 --> 02:45:47,120
know everybody's seen the

4066
02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:50,240
the the disc dropping away from a high

4067
02:45:55,190 --> 02:45:52,560
altitude balloon and these rockets fire

4068
02:45:57,349 --> 02:45:55,200
and cause it to start spinning well you

4069
02:45:59,070 --> 02:45:57,359
can create technology

4070
02:46:01,670 --> 02:45:59,080
you know that they may be trying to

4071
02:46:03,910 --> 02:46:01,680
gyroscopically you know create you know

4072
02:46:06,230 --> 02:46:03,920
something or test something or whatever

4073
02:46:08,469 --> 02:46:06,240
but when it looks like a ufo and it's

4074
02:46:10,790 --> 02:46:08,479
laying in the dirt

4075
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:10,800
um they'll go ahead and perpetuate the

4076
02:46:13,510 --> 02:46:12,240
myth

4077
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:13,520
you know when we

4078
02:46:17,910 --> 02:46:15,200
when i first got started

4079
02:46:21,429 --> 02:46:17,920
i never imagined that the government

4080
02:46:24,550 --> 02:46:21,439
would perpetuate a ufo myth to cover up

4081
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:24,560
secrets that they were trying to to do

4082
02:46:27,830 --> 02:46:25,439
sure

4083
02:46:30,150 --> 02:46:27,840
and when once you

4084
02:46:32,150 --> 02:46:30,160
realize that that's a reality it kind of

4085
02:46:33,349 --> 02:46:32,160
cooks your noodle and then it's on to

4086
02:46:34,950 --> 02:46:33,359
the next

4087
02:46:37,429 --> 02:46:34,960
level

4088
02:46:39,910 --> 02:46:37,439
and so over 30 years down the road for

4089
02:46:43,510 --> 02:46:41,269
um

4090
02:46:48,710 --> 02:46:43,520
i'm a lot like

4091
02:46:51,110 --> 02:46:48,720
most people probably that that get here

4092
02:46:53,750 --> 02:46:51,120
you're you're a little bit calloused

4093
02:46:56,550 --> 02:46:53,760
uh you know to just

4094
02:47:00,550 --> 02:46:56,560
the the the normal

4095
02:47:04,870 --> 02:47:00,560
stuff you hear and see on tv

4096
02:47:06,550 --> 02:47:04,880
and and um you know in in in the news um

4097
02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:06,560
it for me

4098
02:47:11,190 --> 02:47:08,800
you're gonna have to to you know you're

4099
02:47:14,870 --> 02:47:11,200
gonna have to

4100
02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:14,880
just like out there where you live where

4101
02:47:18,389 --> 02:47:16,640
they rolled that that bomber that

4102
02:47:19,670 --> 02:47:18,399
stealth bomber out there on palmdale

4103
02:47:21,910 --> 02:47:19,680
from

4104
02:47:24,790 --> 02:47:21,920
they're going to have to roll out a real

4105
02:47:26,389 --> 02:47:24,800
real authentic ufo

4106
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:26,399
i'm you know we're really going to have

4107
02:47:31,990 --> 02:47:30,479
to have the evidence to see it because

4108
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:32,000
we're in a technology race whether

4109
02:47:35,349 --> 02:47:33,279
people want to believe it or not and

4110
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:35,359
they're never

4111
02:47:38,790 --> 02:47:36,640
never look

4112
02:47:40,710 --> 02:47:38,800
there are periods

4113
02:47:43,990 --> 02:47:40,720
we know that there are departments

4114
02:47:46,309 --> 02:47:44,000
within the u.s military complex

4115
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:46,319
that have no oversight whatsoever and

4116
02:47:52,870 --> 02:47:48,960
they have a bottomless pit of money

4117
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:52,880
we know that without any any doubt

4118
02:47:58,230 --> 02:47:56,000
no president is gonna walk in and say

4119
02:48:00,710 --> 02:47:58,240
like eisenhower did i'm gonna walk the

4120
02:48:02,710 --> 02:48:00,720
first army down there and and we're

4121
02:48:04,790 --> 02:48:02,720
gonna open that whole base up unless you

4122
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:04,800
come tell us what's going on that's

4123
02:48:11,990 --> 02:48:08,640
right we don't have those that kind of

4124
02:48:15,030 --> 02:48:12,000
cajones anymore in our leadership

4125
02:48:17,510 --> 02:48:15,040
we have no more

4126
02:48:21,429 --> 02:48:17,520
true generals

4127
02:48:24,230 --> 02:48:21,439
and and and real leaders anymore we've

4128
02:48:26,870 --> 02:48:24,240
got the best politicians the world can

4129
02:48:28,870 --> 02:48:26,880
buy in this government in my opinion in

4130
02:48:32,230 --> 02:48:28,880
my opinion

4131
02:48:34,389 --> 02:48:32,240
and i just don't you know in a world and

4132
02:48:37,110 --> 02:48:34,399
most people believe

4133
02:48:39,110 --> 02:48:37,120
just like i do that they bs and they

4134
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:39,120
don't tell us the truth and

4135
02:48:42,830 --> 02:48:40,479
for most of it

4136
02:48:46,070 --> 02:48:42,840
they've got good reason not to tell

4137
02:48:49,349 --> 02:48:46,080
us because the truth is

4138
02:48:50,790 --> 02:48:49,359
when we almost lost the the the race to

4139
02:48:53,670 --> 02:48:50,800
get the bomb

4140
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:53,680
if if the nazis had gotten it

4141
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:55,680
a month before us

4142
02:49:03,110 --> 02:48:59,760
it's a wrap it's a wrap

4143
02:49:04,790 --> 02:49:03,120
we'd be in the sixth reich by now

4144
02:49:08,790 --> 02:49:04,800
and

4145
02:49:10,950 --> 02:49:08,800
political leaders

4146
02:49:13,269 --> 02:49:10,960
they probably got together in some back

4147
02:49:15,269 --> 02:49:13,279
rooms with some cigars and some some

4148
02:49:17,830 --> 02:49:15,279
whiskey and said

4149
02:49:21,190 --> 02:49:17,840
we can never let this happen again we

4150
02:49:22,870 --> 02:49:21,200
can never let ourselves get this behind

4151
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:22,880
again

4152
02:49:28,790 --> 02:49:26,080
or somebody is going to sneak up on us

4153
02:49:30,550 --> 02:49:28,800
and and and do us and take us over

4154
02:49:32,469 --> 02:49:30,560
because

4155
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:32,479
look

4156
02:49:36,150 --> 02:49:34,399
people can say what they want about

4157
02:49:39,990 --> 02:49:36,160
america now we've been

4158
02:49:42,389 --> 02:49:40,000
the superpower for all this time now so

4159
02:49:44,950 --> 02:49:42,399
you know all the wannabes want to make

4160
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:44,960
us out to be the evil you know we're the

4161
02:49:49,349 --> 02:49:47,520
nazis now we're the evil ones now

4162
02:49:50,309 --> 02:49:49,359
there's no country out there squeaky

4163
02:49:51,830 --> 02:49:50,319
clean

4164
02:49:54,230 --> 02:49:51,840
just not

4165
02:49:56,389 --> 02:49:54,240
and at the end of the day we could have

4166
02:49:58,950 --> 02:49:56,399
walked across this earth

4167
02:50:00,790 --> 02:49:58,960
and took over every country and there's

4168
02:50:02,550 --> 02:50:00,800
nothing any of them could have ever done

4169
02:50:04,309 --> 02:50:02,560
anything about it

4170
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:04,319
but that's not what america is that's

4171
02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:07,279
not what its people are right given all

4172
02:50:11,269 --> 02:50:09,439
these labels and the truth is we're not

4173
02:50:12,469 --> 02:50:11,279
that kind of people

4174
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:12,479
but

4175
02:50:18,070 --> 02:50:14,880
the enemy is within

4176
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:18,080
and our the the intelligence apparatus

4177
02:50:22,870 --> 02:50:20,560
and the military-industrial complex

4178
02:50:26,550 --> 02:50:22,880
cannot afford to let us know the reality

4179
02:50:29,349 --> 02:50:26,560
the true reality of what they are trying

4180
02:50:32,389 --> 02:50:29,359
to do that will ultimately keep this

4181
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:32,399
land protected and its people

4182
02:50:37,349 --> 02:50:34,240
hopefully

4183
02:50:39,750 --> 02:50:37,359
as long as we continue to breed morally

4184
02:50:44,469 --> 02:50:39,760
correct and strong

4185
02:50:46,710 --> 02:50:44,479
willed kind-hearted compassionate people

4186
02:50:48,630 --> 02:50:46,720
hopefully our leaders leaders will fall

4187
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:48,640
suit follow suit

4188
02:50:52,790 --> 02:50:51,359
but they're never going to tell us

4189
02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:52,800
the truth

4190
02:51:01,590 --> 02:50:58,950
i mean even though we have empirical

4191
02:51:03,429 --> 02:51:01,600
evidence we have admissible evidence

4192
02:51:05,110 --> 02:51:03,439
we have physical

4193
02:51:06,790 --> 02:51:05,120
evidence

4194
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:06,800
we have

4195
02:51:13,429 --> 02:51:11,760
changes in the environment where these

4196
02:51:15,510 --> 02:51:13,439
things come and go

4197
02:51:18,309 --> 02:51:15,520
we have instruments that can detect them

4198
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:18,319
flying around in our atmosphere we've

4199
02:51:21,429 --> 02:51:20,399
seen them from

4200
02:51:24,150 --> 02:51:21,439
from

4201
02:51:26,309 --> 02:51:24,160
visuals in the air visuals in the ground

4202
02:51:28,630 --> 02:51:26,319
on radar in the air and radar in the

4203
02:51:30,630 --> 02:51:28,640
ground and there there it is

4204
02:51:32,710 --> 02:51:30,640
and it's doing things that defies our

4205
02:51:34,469 --> 02:51:32,720
known laws of physics

4206
02:51:37,110 --> 02:51:34,479
and we can't explain how it's

4207
02:51:38,710 --> 02:51:37,120
intelligently operated who's doing it

4208
02:51:40,950 --> 02:51:38,720
where are they from what are they doing

4209
02:51:43,269 --> 02:51:40,960
here what do they want where are they

4210
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:43,279
you know where are they based out of

4211
02:51:48,070 --> 02:51:45,040
um

4212
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:48,080
it's a reality that we can prove

4213
02:51:51,910 --> 02:51:49,840
so

4214
02:51:53,190 --> 02:51:51,920
i think it's just up to

4215
02:52:00,309 --> 02:51:53,200
try

4216
02:52:04,070 --> 02:52:00,319
thinking

4217
02:52:05,269 --> 02:52:04,080
into a greater volume of people

4218
02:52:08,230 --> 02:52:05,279
um

4219
02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:08,240
and then later that reality

4220
02:52:12,550 --> 02:52:10,560
into a greater volume of people because

4221
02:52:15,190 --> 02:52:12,560
for me and you jimmy we came out of the

4222
02:52:16,870 --> 02:52:15,200
space race we were born in it and we

4223
02:52:18,389 --> 02:52:16,880
came out of it

4224
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:18,399
and so

4225
02:52:21,990 --> 02:52:20,800
our programming

4226
02:52:24,630 --> 02:52:22,000
and

4227
02:52:27,429 --> 02:52:24,640
that came out of hollywood

4228
02:52:30,950 --> 02:52:27,439
gave us it gifted us

4229
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:30,960
the imagination of space and what could

4230
02:52:37,910 --> 02:52:35,830
honestly um

4231
02:52:40,790 --> 02:52:37,920
it's not about

4232
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:40,800
you don't have to to to convince us that

4233
02:52:45,510 --> 02:52:42,800
it's it's a reality you can't you don't

4234
02:52:46,710 --> 02:52:45,520
have to vince convince us it's true

4235
02:52:50,070 --> 02:52:46,720
for us

4236
02:52:53,110 --> 02:52:50,080
but when that reality hits you

4237
02:52:57,590 --> 02:52:53,120
and and the reality sinks in and it

4238
02:52:59,429 --> 02:52:57,600
absorbs down into your soul that

4239
02:53:01,750 --> 02:52:59,439
you know i'll give you a good example

4240
02:53:04,230 --> 02:53:01,760
when travis walton

4241
02:53:07,349 --> 02:53:04,240
whether you believe him or not

4242
02:53:11,590 --> 02:53:07,359
when he explained how he felt when he

4243
02:53:13,429 --> 02:53:11,600
when his eyes focused on

4244
02:53:14,790 --> 02:53:13,439
their eyes

4245
02:53:17,030 --> 02:53:14,800
and

4246
02:53:20,790 --> 02:53:17,040
the the sheer terror that

4247
02:53:23,670 --> 02:53:20,800
the shock that that ran through him

4248
02:53:25,510 --> 02:53:23,680
as he absorbed the reality that this is

4249
02:53:26,550 --> 02:53:25,520
not a human being

4250
02:53:28,150 --> 02:53:26,560
this is

4251
02:53:29,190 --> 02:53:28,160
something else

4252
02:53:30,469 --> 02:53:29,200
and it

4253
02:53:33,190 --> 02:53:30,479
has

4254
02:53:34,309 --> 02:53:33,200
intentions that i'm not sure i'm

4255
02:53:36,150 --> 02:53:34,319
physically

4256
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:36,160
or mentally capable

4257
02:53:41,190 --> 02:53:38,800
of dealing with in this second

4258
02:53:43,510 --> 02:53:41,200
and he snapped he

4259
02:53:45,110 --> 02:53:43,520
fight or flight kicked in and he snapped

4260
02:53:46,550 --> 02:53:45,120
that's what it makes

4261
02:53:47,830 --> 02:53:46,560
me feel like because i've been doing

4262
02:53:49,429 --> 02:53:47,840
this long time and i've thought about

4263
02:53:51,030 --> 02:53:49,439
this i've thought about

4264
02:53:54,230 --> 02:53:51,040
how i would feel

4265
02:53:56,469 --> 02:53:54,240
if one was standing right in front of me

4266
02:54:00,469 --> 02:53:56,479
looking at me

4267
02:54:01,910 --> 02:54:00,479
how how would i be able to

4268
02:54:05,590 --> 02:54:01,920
um

4269
02:54:07,590 --> 02:54:05,600
how would i be able to to handle it

4270
02:54:08,630 --> 02:54:07,600
and and for me

4271
02:54:10,550 --> 02:54:08,640
it would be

4272
02:54:12,070 --> 02:54:10,560
it'd be a lot like

4273
02:54:13,750 --> 02:54:12,080
you know you're standing in the woods

4274
02:54:15,830 --> 02:54:13,760
and you're listening to the trees and

4275
02:54:17,670 --> 02:54:15,840
the birds and the wind

4276
02:54:20,710 --> 02:54:17,680
and you turn around

4277
02:54:23,349 --> 02:54:20,720
and there's a 900 pound

4278
02:54:24,710 --> 02:54:23,359
kodiak grizzly bear four feet away from

4279
02:54:34,550 --> 02:54:24,720
you

4280
02:54:36,150 --> 02:54:34,560
a knuckle crack

4281
02:54:38,550 --> 02:54:36,160
head on and

4282
02:54:41,349 --> 02:54:38,560
say you know be careful or if he's gonna

4283
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:41,359
you know take you on

4284
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:43,920
and for me

4285
02:54:50,070 --> 02:54:47,680
that's it's it's a terrifying thought

4286
02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:50,080
and that is something i think that they

4287
02:54:54,070 --> 02:54:52,880
have all too

4288
02:54:56,550 --> 02:54:54,080
uh

4289
02:54:58,550 --> 02:54:56,560
well considered when it comes to human

4290
02:55:02,309 --> 02:54:58,560
nature and

4291
02:55:04,389 --> 02:55:02,319
really how we exist in a comfort bubble

4292
02:55:06,790 --> 02:55:04,399
that we don't

4293
02:55:08,950 --> 02:55:06,800
take too kindly when it's tilted in any

4294
02:55:09,990 --> 02:55:08,960
way shape or form

4295
02:55:11,750 --> 02:55:10,000
so

4296
02:55:13,269 --> 02:55:11,760
i think they're they're doing it for all

4297
02:55:14,870 --> 02:55:13,279
the right reasons

4298
02:55:17,750 --> 02:55:14,880
you know everybody wants to know the

4299
02:55:19,910 --> 02:55:17,760
secret everybody wants to know the truth

4300
02:55:21,670 --> 02:55:19,920
but nobody wants to admit the fact that

4301
02:55:22,950 --> 02:55:21,680
they can't handle it if they were told

4302
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:22,960
it

4303
02:55:28,309 --> 02:55:24,640
yeah that's uh

4304
02:55:31,590 --> 02:55:28,319
that's one of the issues when you have

4305
02:55:35,429 --> 02:55:31,600
you know gary voorhees and and and alex

4306
02:55:37,269 --> 02:55:35,439
dietrich and and dave fraver and

4307
02:55:38,550 --> 02:55:37,279
the other crew members you know step

4308
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:38,560
forward

4309
02:55:42,870 --> 02:55:39,680
um

4310
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:42,880
even that part professional military

4311
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:46,160
testimony about this

4312
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:47,200
um

4313
02:55:51,990 --> 02:55:49,439
wasn't enough

4314
02:55:54,150 --> 02:55:52,000
for capitol hill and the department of

4315
02:55:56,550 --> 02:55:54,160
defense and the agencies

4316
02:55:58,790 --> 02:55:56,560
uh to have the courage to step forward

4317
02:56:02,230 --> 02:55:58,800
it's almost there

4318
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:02,240
right but actually crossing the line

4319
02:56:06,710 --> 02:56:05,680
it's it's it's too much of a reality

4320
02:56:11,269 --> 02:56:06,720
check

4321
02:56:12,790 --> 02:56:11,279
uh for most uh our community is fine our

4322
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:12,800
community is going to deal with it just

4323
02:56:17,190 --> 02:56:15,200
fine i think most of the planet knows

4324
02:56:19,190 --> 02:56:17,200
that we're not alone in in this milky

4325
02:56:21,349 --> 02:56:19,200
way of the universe which is something

4326
02:56:24,150 --> 02:56:21,359
i'm going to be talking about at x-con

4327
02:56:25,590 --> 02:56:24,160
on on friday night i don't think that

4328
02:56:27,510 --> 02:56:25,600
the planet

4329
02:56:28,309 --> 02:56:27,520
they know right they're smarter than

4330
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:28,319
that

4331
02:56:33,349 --> 02:56:30,240
politicians

4332
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:33,359
having to go and have this reality check

4333
02:56:38,710 --> 02:56:36,000
and and not only that capitol hill and

4334
02:56:41,349 --> 02:56:38,720
and state actors around the world but

4335
02:56:43,910 --> 02:56:41,359
the agencies and the fbi

4336
02:56:45,030 --> 02:56:43,920
and and the department of defense

4337
02:56:51,990 --> 02:56:45,040
to

4338
02:56:53,190 --> 02:56:52,000
very frank sense without masking it

4339
02:56:55,030 --> 02:56:53,200
behind

4340
02:56:57,030 --> 02:56:55,040
uh word play

4341
02:56:59,990 --> 02:56:57,040
right and it's almost there man it's

4342
02:57:03,269 --> 02:57:00,000
almost bill nelson from nasa

4343
02:57:04,389 --> 02:57:03,279
was probably one of the only

4344
02:57:07,590 --> 02:57:04,399
uh

4345
02:57:11,269 --> 02:57:07,600
directors the administrator of nasa to

4346
02:57:12,870 --> 02:57:11,279
actually go where he went i mean he went

4347
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:12,880
right there

4348
02:57:16,710 --> 02:57:14,720
and and that's how close we are today

4349
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:16,720
race i think we are

4350
02:57:21,670 --> 02:57:19,040
uh approaching the finish line we

4351
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:21,680
haven't crossed it yet yeah well let me

4352
02:57:25,830 --> 02:57:24,160
say this real quick i know it's it's a

4353
02:57:28,469 --> 02:57:25,840
good thing to see

4354
02:57:31,110 --> 02:57:28,479
that politicians that really

4355
02:57:32,309 --> 02:57:31,120
weren't exposed to this much before that

4356
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:32,319
have been

4357
02:57:37,830 --> 02:57:35,120
um and that have really had their eyes

4358
02:57:40,070 --> 02:57:37,840
opened up to the reality of it and they

4359
02:57:42,790 --> 02:57:40,080
see how much now that the popular

4360
02:57:45,670 --> 02:57:42,800
support is there for it i think that can

4361
02:57:48,070 --> 02:57:45,680
push for a lot of disclosure a lot of

4362
02:57:49,030 --> 02:57:48,080
let's just say a lot of confirmation

4363
02:57:50,710 --> 02:57:49,040
okay

4364
02:57:52,150 --> 02:57:50,720
but um

4365
02:57:54,309 --> 02:57:52,160
what would the military-industrial

4366
02:57:56,309 --> 02:57:54,319
complex truly turn over

4367
02:57:58,950 --> 02:57:56,319
up to this point they have just played

4368
02:58:02,710 --> 02:57:58,960
with us and you know but that's a big

4369
02:58:06,230 --> 02:58:02,720
part of why we are having the x-con i

4370
02:58:08,309 --> 02:58:06,240
mean from bigfoot to ufos we've got a

4371
02:58:10,710 --> 02:58:08,319
lot of really cool people that have done

4372
02:58:13,190 --> 02:58:10,720
a lot of extensive research

4373
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:13,200
from photographic research and video

4374
02:58:16,870 --> 02:58:14,720
research to

4375
02:58:18,469 --> 02:58:16,880
documentary research

4376
02:58:20,710 --> 02:58:18,479
people like micah hanks who we heard

4377
02:58:22,389 --> 02:58:20,720
from and always do he comes to visit

4378
02:58:25,110 --> 02:58:22,399
here all the time

4379
02:58:26,870 --> 02:58:25,120
he is such a bright and sharp guy

4380
02:58:28,550 --> 02:58:26,880
whitley strieber is going to be there

4381
02:58:30,469 --> 02:58:28,560
ray hernandez is going to be there

4382
02:58:33,750 --> 02:58:30,479
talking about his new book coming out

4383
02:58:35,590 --> 02:58:33,760
from his new group which is amazing lee

4384
02:58:37,990 --> 02:58:35,600
spiegel's going to be there talking

4385
02:58:39,510 --> 02:58:38,000
about the well he's the only man to ever

4386
02:58:42,070 --> 02:58:39,520
bring this subject

4387
02:58:46,630 --> 02:58:42,080
before the united nations

4388
02:58:49,830 --> 02:58:46,640
and there just might be a path back to

4389
02:58:51,429 --> 02:58:49,840
the united nations for this subject so

4390
02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:51,439
come on folks go over to our

4391
02:58:55,110 --> 02:58:53,200
nextnetwork.com

4392
02:58:57,190 --> 02:58:55,120
forward slash xcon

4393
02:58:59,510 --> 02:58:57,200
and pick up a couple of tickets man one

4394
02:59:01,590 --> 02:58:59,520
for saturday one for friday

4395
02:59:03,269 --> 02:59:01,600
and uh and hang out with us i'm gonna

4396
02:59:05,429 --> 02:59:03,279
emcee it of course you know jimmy's

4397
02:59:08,309 --> 02:59:05,439
gonna be there it's gonna be you know

4398
02:59:11,990 --> 02:59:08,319
and with gas as much as it costs

4399
02:59:14,309 --> 02:59:12,000
and expenses and food and and lodging oh

4400
02:59:17,030 --> 02:59:14,319
my gosh you're gonna save so much money

4401
02:59:19,269 --> 02:59:17,040
by doing a virtual event with us

4402
02:59:20,870 --> 02:59:19,279
that you know you all that money you

4403
02:59:22,469 --> 02:59:20,880
saved you can pick one of your favorite

4404
02:59:25,110 --> 02:59:22,479
events and go hang out with jimmy in

4405
02:59:27,349 --> 02:59:25,120
person later

4406
02:59:29,349 --> 02:59:27,359
race thank you so much man and thank you

4407
02:59:31,429 --> 02:59:29,359
for being the leader uh

4408
02:59:32,550 --> 02:59:31,439
that you are for this community we all

4409
02:59:35,429 --> 02:59:32,560
owe you

4410
02:59:37,510 --> 02:59:35,439
a big chunk of debt and uh and i'll just

4411
02:59:39,510 --> 02:59:37,520
say thank you on behalf of all the fader

4412
02:59:41,269 --> 02:59:39,520
nuts and everybody that's listening and

4413
02:59:43,110 --> 02:59:41,279
and watching right now thank you so much

4414
02:59:44,309 --> 02:59:43,120
for everything that you do

4415
02:59:46,550 --> 02:59:44,319
and uh

4416
02:59:49,429 --> 02:59:46,560
we'll see you over at x-con uh this

4417
02:59:51,910 --> 02:59:49,439
friday and saturday friday the 13th i'll

4418
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be speaking friday night and again just

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go over to on xnetwork.com

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i put up the links in social media all

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over the place

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and uh and also in the chat room earlier

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tonight and i'll see everybody on friday

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night race thank you so much my friend

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thank you jimmy and thanks to all the

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fader knots i love you all and thank you

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for the kind words

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they're all and they're bragging about

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my voice now so i feel better i'll talk

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to you race hobbes everybody race is the

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absolute very best uh what a great show

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tonight i do want to thank micah hanks

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for coming in and also spending some

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extra time he's just supposed supposed

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to be here for a segment he was here for

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two thank you micah micah will be there

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also at xcon uh this weekend it's all

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simple to do go to nxnetwork.com

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and uh click on the events or

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conferences and

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and it'll be right there so i'll see

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everybody friday night i will see you

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back here uh tomorrow night we have

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tyler glockner here from secure team 10.

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and as far as i know i'm pretty sure i'm

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pretty confident about this

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he's done

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one interview and it was on fade to

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black tomorrow

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is second

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tyler glockner here tomorrow night data

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black is produced by hill j palmer nay

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dennis and kevin announces our steve

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harder gene vitoa mark t kovar

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webmaster is drew the geek music doug

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aldridge

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intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

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payton black is produced by kjcr for the

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game changer network in this broadcast

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owned a copyrighted 2022

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by fade to black and the game changer

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network inc it cannot be re-broadcast

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downloaded copied or used anywhere in

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the known universe without written

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permission from fade to black and the

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game changer network i'm your host jimmy

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church i want everybody to have a great

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safe fun amazing rest of your evening

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we'll see you tomorrow night until then